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#122

I generally agree with @hcf (Hans). I have discussed this with clinicians, and taken surveys on this type of question at scientific/clinical meetings:

https://www.josam.org/josam/article/view/69

Some clinicians have tried both weekly clinical short-session PEMF in addition to daily wearable PEMF. All of them see a good benefit for one or the other type of PEMF, but when combined, the clinical outcome seems to be better than either one alone. This is not a common practice, but it seems to be very advantageous according to those who have tried it.

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#123

Yes, and in terms of making money, I’m a failure because I make it an included service. Yes, a rental model is what I have been considering.

Why would the coils need to stay with the patient instead of used by the next individual?

#124

I would use new ones for hygienic reasons. You never know of the hygiene “details” of other people :astonished: :sunglasses:

Best,
Hans

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#125

Are emotions measurable? I sure can feel them in fact they can shut down my ability to think properly. What’s the science on emotions guys. If we are highly advanced electronic inventions. Wow, what a amazing time to be alive.

#126

This is a hard question. Here is one example: we can not “measure” pain, but we can all easily feel it. This is why a doctor has to ask you to rate your pain on a scale of 1 to 10, because they can not measure it; you have to tell them what you feel. This is different from other things such as blood pressure, which can be measured but actually most people can not feel their blood pressure, which is why it is often called “the silent killer”. This is why no doctor will ever ask you to rate your blood pressure on a scale of 1 to 10. They will simply measure it.

So, it is a technical fact that the ability to feel something is entirely different from the ability to measure it.

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#127

I have only been using PEMF for about 1 month but I have already benefited from it in many ways. I have a C5 and an A9, and really get great results from them (as described in my Splitting Wood and PEMF post). I also have a KT Recovery + Wave Pain Relief Device which I have been testing on my self and sometimes my pets. The KT Recovery + Wave reminds me of the Assisi Loop but much much more affordable. The description I found of how it works sounds very familiar (almost verbatim to the Assisi loop description) “KT Recovery+ Wave (KT Wave) is a non-prescription, wearable device that uses electromagnetic pulses to relieve pain. The pulses are called pulsed shortwave therapy (PSWT). KT Wave works by sending non-thermal, low-energy electromagnetic signals into joints, muscles, and tissue”. That phrase “pulsed shortwave therapy (PSWT)” is exactly what Assisi says about their device. The KT Wave gives 250 hours of functionality and then the battery is weak and you toss it and replace it. After my recent adventures in wood splitting, I slept with all the coils from my C5 on, which helped greatly, but I didn’t have enough coils to put some on my traps and they were very sore, so I stuck the remaining KT Wave I had (I gave the other one to my brother to try) on my right trap and went about my day. After about an hour I noticed it felt better so I switched it to the left trap and left it on all day. That side also felt better but still hurt a little at the end of the day. Still it did help. On a side note I had vented my frustration at my wife’s constitution not responding as quickly as I or my daughter’s in my post Attempt to Improve Hip Bursitis, but today finally had success with her, as she had been bothered by a sore rib for several days. I placed 2 coils side by side over the offending area and had her use Omni 8 for a few hours on an intensity of 9, after which she indicated the pain was gone. I am hoping to convince her to use the C5 for at least 4 hours every day for hopefully the next 3 months to see if she can get an overall improvement in her health. Time will tell.

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#128

That’s terrific the variable of time (as suspected) made a difference for her. Glad the pain is gone! Thanks for sharing all your findings and experiments!

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#129

The pain / discomfort in her rib comes back after after some time (≥ 6 hours), so she needs to stick with it (her biggest challenge) until it is fully resolved. I would guess daily (or nightly) use for at least 3-4 weeks would get her somewhere close and well on her way to resolution of that minor annoyance. I find that the more I use my A9 or C5 on my knee (several years ligament and meniscus injury) the better and stronger it feels.

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#130

I think you are exactly correct.
Also, I think the way to view PEMF in general is that it allows normal healing.
But PEMF does not ‘force’ tissues to do anything, and it is not magic.
So it is essential to apply PEMF regularly enough to allow the normal tissue healing and recovery processes to occur, which takes time.

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#131

@Bob Yes. I also need to study up more on supplementation, as without the right building blocks healing / progress is slowed. I have a good deal mor to learn about that, but there is so much info here in the Flux Health forum it is overwhelming lol.

#132

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A little PEMFt for Molly the Red Healer!

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#133

I agree: critical knowledge. A lot of people on this forum can give helpful suggestions.

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#134

I’ve been supplementing collagen as opposed to protein these days. I also try to eat more of less desirable (bones, feet, organs, etc) animal products where there is more collagen and other vitamins/minerals.

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#135

I’m always happy-sad seeing doggos these days. I’m still in grieving. We had to put our dog down in January due to Cancer and old age. She lived up to 15 years.

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#136

Yes, I know that pain. We have lost many dog friends over the years. In fact it was a desire to help improve and extend the lives of our animals the led me to finding out about PEMF! yet another way they have given back to us. You certainly have my sympathy for your loss.

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#137

I did try to use my M1 device on her hips and legs/foot. She had what I’d assume arthritis or some sort of degeneration which made her limps somedays and her walk robotic.

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#138

Would it help if larger coils are made so the generated pulse reaches deeper into the body?

#139

I discuss this at several locations around the forum, so if you want to know technical details you can find those, but briefly:

It’s really not that simple at all. The internal circuit and the coils are tuned to work together properly to get the most biologically effective pulse possible in the largest volume of tissue possible. By making the coils larger, you will change the dynamic tuning of the system and it will not only have less depth of penetration, but the waveform will be distributed less well in the area under the coils, the waveform will be distorted, and it will lose much of its biological effectiveness,

This is all because electro-magnetism is a supremely complex technical field that takes decades to gain an understanding, and almost no human mind is capable of having a good intuitive sense for it.

I am sorry to tell you the truth of it, but electro-magnetism, especially bio-electro-magnetism, is not something that can be easily or briefly explained. In my opinion, anyone who tells you otherwise is just stroking your ego to extract cash from you.

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#140

Amazing. So much information on this site. I definitely intend to research more and get a couple of your machines Bob. At least I will start with the portable one.

I have a few devices currently. I picked up two different PEMF 120 devices online secondhand… And have found them very powerful over the years.

Years ago, I also picked up an “EarthPulse” device. But there seems to have been a hostile takeover of the company or something like that though… So when the controller went problematic, I actually eventually had to order a new controller from the company that manufactured them, but no longer works together with earthpulse. They call their controller AumPulser. I can imagine that is why Dr. P discontinued the use of promoting them as a good sleep device because they basically sort of went out of business or got a horrible reputation for horrible customer service…

The PEMF 120 devices are basically a smaller version of the Papimi device https://www.papimi.com/ that was created in Greece I believe.

I watched your interview today on the PEMF podcast and I was very impressed by what you shared. And of course it takes a great person to admit that they are wrong… As you did when it came to the NASA research Exploratory.

Recently, my family and I have been in Argentina… and Mexico and I came across a different type of electrical healing device called scalar wave healing devices… (devised by Tesla, Paul Marie Oudin, George Lakhovsky, D’Arsonval)

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They seem to incorporate a Tesla tower with what they call a pancake with copper coils in it and other attachments and coils and beds. I do not know how different or similar they are to PEMF.

The people that make the machines and run their clinics claim to have a lot of people that have been healed of serious elements with these devices. Personally, I found they feel really amazing. I’ve been trying it for the last year and it just feels quite blissful when you get on it or into the device.

They actually feel totally different than high-powered PEMF like the PEMF 120. The PEMF 120 Really has a profound hit to it. Whereas the scalar wave devices I almost feel blissful and spiritual in nature.

And as you were all talking about frequencies and electricity and emotion earlier in this thread, I thought to mention that, of course the body and the mind and emotions are all connected, and if one thing is healing and affected, naturally the energy body will also be affected and the emotional body.

For me a lot of this is all about preventative medicine. Doing things now that keep our bodies and our emotions in a healthy way than maintain health span, as well as lifespan.

I just see it as regular maintenance. If you own a car and do a regular oil change, it’s guaranteed to last double the time than a car that does not receive such good treatment. The body needs our loving attention, whether it is through massage, therapy or yoga or meditation or PEMF therapy or other sophisticated modalities… or simply by spending time with loved ones or in nature.

PEMF therapy has the added benefit of tuning our physical bodies back into the magnetic frequencies of nature.

Unfortunately, most of us spend far too much time disconnected from the Earth and from nature itself. And at the end of the day, we are all just animals that are on this huge planet… And are absolutely products of our natural environment.

And of course, naturally connecting us back to that source is going to have a profoundly healing effect, whether we can explain that scientifically or not.

Bob, I think what you are sharing and doing is absolutely wonderful. And I find your products, really beautiful. And of course, they are very well priced. Maybe that’s one thing you could work on. :wink: Sometimes charging a little bit more earns you more money for research and upgrades, and also allows others to value the product even more.

Although quite honestly, I would ask Dr. P to mention your credentials on the page of his site that is dedicated to your products. Because quite honestly, it’s quite impressive that you worked with NASA on their studies and research into PEMF therapy and have such a familiarity and confidence around such regulatory bodies as you mentioned in your video that I saw today. Very impressive work and history that you have. Your voice is important because of your experience and your knowledge and your expertise and your honesty.

One of my questions is… Do you see exceptional value in using PEMF during sleep or for brain entrainment?

I think PEMF combined with exercise, stretching, good supplementation, proper hydration and balanced nutrition, as perhaps key to a healthy long life.

Although I have found other modalities To also have profound benefits… Such as red light therapy, Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, Scalar wave devices, And all sorts of other alternative modalities of healing…

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#141

I wanted to post more photos, but it would not allow me to do that on my first post.

So I will try to upload a few more photos here of the other devices that I tried or acquired. Perhaps if you have any feedback, please share. Some of these almost seem like historical devices. As they were invented over 100 years ago.
I suppose before the advent of Carnegie limiting medical freedom.

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