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Ongoing log of wife's treatment of tendinosis

Yup, I’m a fake doctor too… no wait… those guys with M.D.s are the fakes. I’m a “real” doctor, or something like that… I guess… :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

have you tried looking into earthing? very simple to implement and measure… as to how and why it works, i have yet to find something that shows direct evidence and details of that. everyone jumps to the conclusion that it has to do with the earth donating electrons… pouring into our bodies thru earthing. no one can give direct evidence of this, but the earthing proponents are more than happy to parrot this claim.

with that said, i can’t deny that there is a positive physical effect that can be measured from my own personal experience. it is directly measured in my body’s relaxation response to earthing as evidenced in my measures stress levels everytime i have practiced earthing.

pain and inflammation are the common benefit from earthing… it’s worth looking into and trying out if you have not yet tried

Thanks, but as I have explained elsewhere on this site, my wife tried an earthing mat for 5 hours a day for months with zero results.

Hey @OptimalHealth I tried my Earth Balance sleep mat for a week and felt like I was sleeping heavier (and felt like I possibly was more tired when I woke up) but saw no noticeable change in sleep stage quality or HRV according to my Apple Watch. I am also playing around with the Welltory App which provides detailed analytics based on heart beat/ HRV from Apple Watch or manual readings from the phone camera/light. I took a week off of sleeping on the mat and will try it again soon. Just wanted to share my initial experience. That being said, I am wearing 1 or 2 M1s pretty much all the time nowadays to support some ligament/tendon issues, so not sure if that affects the impact of the earthing mat.

Thanks to you and @Bob for mentioning the bar hang for rotater cuff pain. My M1 has gotten me back to 90% in the last 2 weeks but I felt something was still “off.” I tried the bar hang and can already feel like the mechanics and even feeling in the rotator cuff area are feeling better.

I found the following youtube video which references the following book helpful.

excellent @TajD. This is the YouTube video that I found helpful because it made a lot of sense and helped things ‘click’ together when combined with the many other random bits of information I had collected on shoulder impingement:

I have had massive improvement so far. I’m still improving though I occasionally have sharp shoulder impingement pain, but it gets less frequent and less intense almost daily.

whenever I hear eczema I think of the early work of Grant Genereux, an engineer up in Alberta Canada, and his success with that condition and a few others, one quite serious, simply by eliminating Vitamin A from his diet. I haven’t kept up with his blog for a few years but I did spend a couple thousand hours on PubMed in 2018 and 2019 verifying his understanding. His second book is very interesting. To summarize: Retinol and Retinoic Acid can be very dangerous molecules given the right circumstances. Maybe there’s something that will ‘click’ for you that can help in your journey.

haha ok my bad… I’ve been sharing anywhere and everywhere my experience, sorry if i already recommended to you. your response sounds familiar now that i see it.

Believe me, I wish it had helped.
Here’s something that might be: I’m using an infrared mat under her feet and an infrared lamp above her feet (cause the mat infrared only penetrates about an inch). The mat sits on a foot rocker made by Human Scale that allows for a little physical therapy movement at the same time.

hey tajd… yes… it took a good 5 weeks for me to get a consistent setup and routine going. the first few days were interesting…i felt very energetic and no trace of food coma esp after certain foods I’m guaranteed to knock out on. wasn’t expecting that.

once i figured out proper exposure and connection with mat, my results were 6 days out of the week “excellent range” for an stress levels during sleep. and that 7th day would be a tad outside that range for whatever reason… what i ate? environment? stress of day or week? :man_shrugging:t4:

skin contact with mat under neck and lower back ensured good connection bc of moisture (sweat from body heat) there. results from others seem to vary so much and unlike pemf, i sometimes wonder the quality of the consistent connection made with the earth and the conductivity of the medium used (ie, dirt, grass, sand, etc)… fortunately, the factors to ensure quality ground is simple once you get familiar and have a multimeter to confirm effectiveness. some ground fine with layers of clothes or bedsheet in between body and mat… and then there’s that “everyone’s different” variable.

anyway, for me, results were consistent about 5 weeks from starting… part of it, I’m sure, was from knowing what to measure and what to monitor for connection.

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wondering

Jul '22

The nylon/cotton will not pose a problem, just keep it as thin as you reasonably can to get the coils as close to the skin as possible.

It might help to use coil pairs instead of a pad. You will get MUCH more effective penetration if you use a single pair of stacked coils (bumpy-side-to-bumpy-side, taped together). Place directly over the point of pain, or over the center of the pain if it is a larger area.

Even better, consider try placing coils on opposite sides (top and bottom of the foot), with bumpy side of each coil away from the skin.

If you decide to try either (or both) of those, keep at it every day for at least 2-3 weeks, 6-8 hours per day. Then let us know how it worked for her.

The key thing is not to try to treat every spot simultaneously. Choose the most painful or original spot where the pain first appeared. If you treat this thoroughly, pain in other locations tends to be reduced.

The theory behind this is that the original injury acts as a pro-inflammatroy signal “beacon” that causes inflammation in other locations secondarily, and if you can quench the signal from this original pro-inflammatory source, you benefit because this signal is no longer driving pathologic inflammation throughout the body and causing problems elsewhere.

One thing to watch out for is that when you employ this strategy, when the original source of pain is reduced, all of a sudden then all other locations of lesser pain feel much worse (more pain). This is a sensory illusion, explained by the theory of lateral inhibition of sensory neurons in the cortex. Briefly, your brain tends to focus on the one largest pain signal, and it does so by dialing down adjacent pain signals. So, when the main signal is reduced, the other pain signals get dialed back up and you get the illusion of more pain.

Sometimes people will tend to panic, thinking “oh my god, now its worse all over, what have I done!!!???” Then they either quit abruptly or they try to chase around the many different points of pain throughout their body with coils. The many of them demand that I build a whole-body machine.

But that is not the most effective strategy, and the sensory illusion of “more pain” is temporary. The best strategy is to understand this illusion, and just keep treating the original source of pain until it is completely recovered and the cortex has had a chance to re-equilibrate to sense the pain signals correctly. If you stick to this strategy, the effect (about 90% of the time) is that first the main source of pain and inflammation will subside, then many or all other locations of pain will also tend to fade away.

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wondering

Jul '22

Thanks Bob for the detailed description! The wrinkle here is that there was no “one” injury spot. This is a generalized tendon degeneration syndrome in most of the foot originally caused by Reflex Sympathetic Distrophy which led to tendinosis throughout the feet and ankles. So it’s almost everywhere, altho there are parts that hurt more than others. The spot that hurts the most is on top of the right foot at the head of the 2nd and 3rd metatarsals. I had been putting 2 A9 coils side by side over all or most of the metatarsals at low power for about 3-4 hours a day with no discernible improvement. I had briefly tried raising the power but that increased the pain (she is EMF sensitive–cell phones against the ear gave her headaches). So maybe a stacked double over just the 2nd and 3rd metatarsals at low power will be better?

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Bob

Jul '22

that is what I am thinking. Give that a try.

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wondering

Aug '22

Doing the 2 stacked coils with an A9 as you suggested; may be seeing some results but not sure as she is also getting laser, DMSO and comfrey. That said, I’m going to go ahead with making a 5-7 coil “boot” to cover her entire foot using a C5 since her tendinosis effects her entire foot.

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wondering

Oct '22

Update: was not seeing any improvement from the A9 with stacked coils but can only do 2-3 hours/day. Also probably because tendinosis effects almost the entire foot and the stacked coils only hit 1 small spot consistently.
Bob: I want to go ahead with making a coil “boot” to treat the entire foot at once. This would consist of 4 coils: #1 and #2 on each side of her ankle/lower achille’s tendon (see image, #2 obscured), #3 on the side of her foot and #4 over the metatarsal head.
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  1. Can I use the C5 if I’m only using 2 of the output jacks for 4 coils (2 pairs)?
  2. Will #3 and #4 be effective if there are no coils directly opposite them on the other side of the foot (like a coil sandwich)?
    Thanks!

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wondering

Nov '22

Maybe. Would need all new coils, all mine are short.

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wondering

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Apr 22

Update 4/22/23: Been using the 8-10 hour/day, 4 coil sock/velcro A9 configuration explained earlier since late October and unfortunately, I see no overall improvement and am giving up. My wife has had ups and downs but if there’s been any improvement, it’s minor. I’ve tried low, medium and high, no difference. Very discouraged, especially since the A9 cured both my plantar fascitis and rotator cuff pain.

@Bob, elsewhere in today’s digest, you suggested using fibrolytic enzyme supplements, such as serrapeptase, nattokinase, lumbrokinase, and maybe also wobenzyme or bromelain, NAC plus L-Glycine for nerve pain and circulation. I’m open to ideas. This is for tendinosis (not tendinitis) as a byproduct of RSD (CRPS) – which is in remission thanks to LDN. Tendinosis is where defective tendon cells reproduce defectively so the tendons have little integrity. Don’t know if these supplements would improve the tendinosis any. Did a google search and I see nothing definitive.

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Bob

Apr 22

I am not an expert, but I have done a lot of reading/thinking about collagen lately, as well as collagen peptide and L-glycine supplementation. There has been a lot of excellent research lately on anti-aging effects that are clearly visible in people’s skin, and the reasonable extrapolation from those observations is that it would also be very beneficial for other collagenous tissues. I don’t think the benefits to internal collagenous tissues have been quantified yet, but it seems to me that it will only be matter of time before we see very strong data in support of supplementing with GLY. I just posted another reply related to this topic here:

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wondering

Apr 22

Thanks for the info. Actually, my wife is already on Vital Proteins collagen for her osteopenia, and also takes Hyaluronic Acid and Vitamin C. Not doing NAC or glycine yet but wonder what the safe upper limits are…

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Bob

Apr 23

I am not sure about “safe” upper limits. I think GLY is safe at any reasonable amount, but I could be wrong. NAC, I would like to know that too. I think guidance on this is a bit sketchy.

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wondering

Apr 23

Thanks, starting her on NAC and Glycine tomorrow. How much glycine do you take? Vital proteins collagen already has almost 3,000 mg per serving.

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Bob

Apr 23

I take an additional 6 grams (or more) per day of L-GLY. I discuss why here:

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wondering

Apr 23

Thanks. I’m assuming no stomach aches – cause I’m seeing that’s a symptom of excessive glycine dosing. Will start with 1 gram and work up.

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Bob

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Apr 23

my limit for chocolate peanut butter ice cream is 2 pints in any 1 hour period. So, to get in my daily minimum of one gallon, I have to spread it out during the day.
:rofl: :joy:

Weird! I replied with a quotation re the ice cream, and the forum murdered it. And I seem to have no way to edit it. I’ll see if this posts correctly.

UPDATE: well, been doing something different past few weeks and seeing some improvement now, more than anything with either the coils or the laser. Both her feet are on a far infrared mat sitting on top of a foot rocker (provides some limited motion therapy) for 5 or so hours/day, plus simultaneously 1/2 hour/day of a far infrared lamp to treat top of feet. Also doing Glycine, collagen and NAC.

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Well just wanted to give an update that altho the A9s seemed to do nothing for her feet, the Far Infrared mats that we got seemed to have slowly improved her condition, and altho her feet are very slow to improve, the FIR mats have almost been miraculous for her constant back pain (she is wheelchair bound mostly so all that sitting wrecks havoc on your back.) In fact, where she would usually take 800mg ibuprofen and wait hours for pain to subside, she’s gotten relief with the FIR in 30 minutes and skipped the pills! If interested, the FIRs are class 2 medical devices (NOT those red light near infrared devices): the Thermotex Platinum and the Venture Heat Universal Wrap.

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This is very important to know, thanks!

You’re welcome. Now if I could only get definitive data on using A9s for eye shingle nerve injury…

when i had shingles, it was too late for that vaccine to reduce the severity… the doctor gave me a steroid to deal with the pain … likely for the inflammation and nerve pain associated with shingles. at the time i had msm and heard it’s good for reducing inflammation among other things. i thought I’d try it out first before trying the prescription steroid… this was before i knew about pemf. 3g…45mins nothing… added another 3g… like magic the pain that kept me up all night subsided and i was able to sleep!! this will be my go to before steroids for shingles… will try for nerve pain in general if that ever happens to me.

Doctor’s Best MSM Powder with OptiMSM, Non-GMO, Vegan, Gluten Free, Soy Free, 250 Grams https://a.co/d/jb9zyyd is exactly what i used.

this was my experience and i was so happy i was able to do it without steroids!

and ok… sorry… this doesn’t address nerve injury… just the pain.

Thanks, that’s great news. But yes, this doesn’t apply to the eye nerve injury and photosensitivity she’s experiencing. She had eye shingles in the eye and nerve itself and had no rash.