Hi TajD. I tried it and we did not notice any difference in the water between the C5 pads (on opposite sides of the plastic bottle) and the vortex magnetizer. They both went down so smoothly, effortlessly!
Super cool to know you donāt notice any difference. I think I will try the Analemma device and see if I notice any difference.
@OptimalHealth
Can you discuss the changes youāve seen in your gut since wearing the ices? I purchased the a9 this week for that exact reason and am eager to understand how it plays out! Thank you!
Iāve never had any noticeable gut issues, and Iāve never noticed nor felt much difference when using pemf on my stomach area. maybe the biggest thing noticed was gasā¦
pemf has been useful with aches and painsā¦ stuffy nose from colds where blowing my nose would not help anythingā¦and even blurred vision from overworked eyes.
on other people i have seen it help relieve arthritis pain and severe inflammation from itā¦ even helped with my wifeās frozen shoulder
Thanks for the link! Looks like the MeaWater devices, but much cheaper. What you describe and what I see in the video match my experience with the Apollo device of MeaWater.
In contrast to this kind of devices the treatment of a bottle with ICES coils did not produce a measurable or a taste effect or difference.
For measurements I use the (obscure) device āLife Energy Meterā (LM4) from Heliognosis. However obscure, I obtain measurements (always relative to a reference of similar kind) that seem to make sense. For example fresh bulk RO-water tests always worse. If you let it stay in a glass bottle it will be better. Wine (at least the Demeter quality from Spain I use) is much better that bulk RO by default. If i structure the wine oder the RO-water with a device like yours, the relative reading increases visible.
Best,
Hans
Hans, I am curious how you have used LM4 in your biohacking journey. First I have heard of it.
Hi @TajD. Its a new device for me and with my background in (communication) electronics Iām still highly suspicious, because there are so much things you can do wrong, when you have a plate, put something on it and want to āmeasureā something.
Insofar this device can only measure relative things that are compared to each other in a small time window. Because when you modify the setup of the device, the direction, angle, grounding, position of external plates, time passes by, weather changes, then also the base readout changes. At least things within a given (temporary) setup are 1:1 reproducible. This makes sense in the regard of the āOrgonā concept of Reich as a universal energy anyway. So far, so (un)good.
Still I try systematically to get the āhang of itā as far as it is possible. Maybe its all wasted time and money 
But currently I like to compare some water ārestructuringā efforts regarding their effect and when a devices does not change the reference probe in any wayā¦ thenā¦ there maybe nothing to it, because I have devices that change the readout when processing water with vortexing including the use of magnets.
P.S.: I feel I do sound a little bit like Bob in that regard that when we think that we may know something, we overlook the many more things we do not know, or that we not even know that there is something to know about. 
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a friend recently asked me what magnetic water was, and I thought iād share some of the things I shared with him:
TED TALK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9UC0chfXcg&t=475s&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
summarized by ai:
While the scientific community remains largely skeptical, thereās a growing body of evidence and anecdotal accounts suggesting potential health benefits associated with magnetic water. Hereās a look at some of the proposed advantages, framed in a favorable light but grounded in logic and available evidence:
1. Enhanced Hydration:
- Logic: Proponents suggest that the smaller mineral clusters in magnetic water allow it to penetrate cell membranes more easily, leading to improved hydration at a cellular level.
- Evidence: A 2013 study on rats with induced diabetes showed that magnetized water helped decrease blood glucose levels, possibly due to better hydration and cellular function.
- Anecdotal evidence: Many people who drink magnetic water report feeling more hydrated and experiencing increased energy levels.
2. Improved Digestion:
- Logic: The altered mineral structure may aid in the breakdown of food and nutrient absorption in the digestive system.
- Anecdotal evidence: Some users report improved digestion, reduced bloating, and relief from constipation after switching to magnetic water.
3. Detoxification:
- Logic: Improved hydration and cellular function could contribute to more efficient removal of waste products from the body.
- Anecdotal evidence: Some individuals claim that magnetic water helps them detoxify, leading to clearer skin, improved energy, and a general sense of well-being.
4. Reduced Inflammation:
- Logic: Magnetic fields are known to have anti-inflammatory effects, and some believe this could translate to reduced inflammation in the body when consuming magnetic water.
- Evidence: A 2023 study showed that a topical lotion containing magnetized saline water helped reduce hair loss in men by activating scalp autophagy, a process linked to reducing inflammation.
5. Potential Antioxidant Effects:
- Logic: Some research suggests that magnetic fields can increase the antioxidant properties of water, helping to neutralize harmful free radicals in the body.
- Evidence: More research is needed in this area, but early studies indicate a potential link between magnetic water and increased antioxidant activity.
after sending it to him, his response was that it sounded hokey. ohhhh wellā¦ thatās what happens when mainstream health hears something from ānatural healthā (or from the unconventional)!
that said, Iām sure glad the benefits I get from pemf are very real!
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This thread is old, but:
Has anyone tried hydrogen rich water?
Iām able to try a hydrogen water bottle for free, and I forgot about the capability of ices-pemf to affect water, so i was curious if anyone had any new info about how theyāre using structured water, or if anyone has tried treating hydrogen rich water with an ices pemf.
Only tablets, the rest is hype. And the tablets did nothing I could notice.
āStructured Waterā is an overhyped term, too. Lots of people claim that, but no one has proven that the results are really (or even somehow) that what they say they claim.
Here is my research regarding āactiveā and/or āhydrogenā water systems
Best,
Hans
May be this is interesting for some here. I did tests with P9 and M1 and different intensities, protocols and coil configs around a 1 liter circular water beaker.
- The source water was from my well, approx. 15.000-16.000 BOVIS
- ICES could only increase the BOVIS rating by approx 1000.
- The BOVIS rating was estimated using a chart and a pendulum.
Unfortunately I think ICES is not the way to go āfor that out of scope applicationā.
An option would be to test an unipolar wave using the C5. With other frequency equipment I also could only reach 24.000 BOVIS.
I think that bipolar treatment does not provide for a singular alignment of the water-dipoles.
Using magnetic treatment (static fields, north pole) and specialized ceramics one can reach much higher values easily. With AlNiCo Magnets under the beaker (for some more minutes) I can reach > 50.000. But be aware that BOVIS ratings may be influenced by wishful thinking or ego, even if you can ask for that to exclude such measurements. Also the source water composition can play a role. RO-water is very bad for such things.
Best,
Hans
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i agree with hcfā¦ i have tried both and as far as noticing any benefit, i didnāt notice anything. however, i do wonder how h2 helps when in a more extreme state of inflammation, since itās known to reduce inflammation.
with pemf, the only difference i noticed was that it improved the taste of my ro water. everyone else in my family noticed the taste as well.
each may have some kind of benefit, but nothing that can be noticed for someone who is in general health.
that said, i have tried msm when i had the shingles. my option for dealing with the nerve pain that kept me up all night was the Dr prescribed Prednisone (a steroid to help reduce inflammation)ā¦i heard msm was known to help with inflammation, so i tried a little out 2gā¦2h later another 2g and 1h later another 2gā¦ long story shortā¦i was actually able to sleep after taking 6g of MSM!
Iām not familiar with bovis or how to measure thatā¦ and yes, ro water not the best, but i do have a reminerlizer cartridge that does help some. however, maybe i should try moving the rings to be placed on the mineral cartridge to see if i taste any difference 
For measuring Bovis you need to get into professional (serious!) pendulum use with charts. Donāt ask. Thought it was stupid until I did it myself.
Best,
Hans
I think Hansā analysis of the effect of ICES bipolar pulses for this application is insightful:
I think that bipolar treatment does not provide for a singular alignment of the water-dipoles.
Reason: I designed the bipolar pulse protocols and modes specifically with the design intent to minimize net charge flux, as a feature to minimize hydrolytic / electrolytic damage to tissues, with special consideration for use with metallic implants and to minimize disruption and damage at interfaces between conductive materials and living tissues.
I believe that Hansā characterization of this as an āout of scope applicationā is precisely correct. It is not that this would be a bad thing to try, but rather that there is good theoretical and practical reason to think that it would simply not work very well.
On the other hand, it is perhaps worth experimenting with, and some people have reported interesting results that may arise from mechanisms other than those which might arise from net charge flow.
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Interesting topic for sure! I had never heard of the Bovis Scale.
Hi @Bob,
Thanks for your insights into the design of ICES and some effects - I look at it the same way!
What I additionally could think of is, that the āshakingā of the dipoles may āeraseā the informational space of water, so that it looses stored pollutant information on that level what we think of homeopathics. I may check that at out some time in the future.
I my self regard informational clearing and more Bovis (-> ālife forceā measure) as important for water treatment. Reverse osmosis does the opposite! Its a remover of electrolytes, a destroyer of structure and the water is impregnated by all the dirt in the filters.
Therefore I use several things āonā my water. You can even taste it. As higher Bovis goes, the more it basically āfloatsā in your mouth and as easier you can swallow it down. Meaning: We have the senses but do not use them.
Best,
Hans
When you master it, its a real revelation. Changes how you see the world, since you can check the energy dissipation or level (not the quality aspects!) of basically everything, especially food, water, clothes, building materials and sound!
There may be a reason for āIn the beginning was the Wordā or āIn the beginning the Word already existedāā¦
Everything is energy!
Best,
Hans
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I havenāt even finished going down the last water ārabbit holeā you sent me down Hans, 
. I did get a Mea Water Apollo, and use it every day, but I havenāt gotten any stationary magnets or finished reading the books by Pollack or Voeikov & Korotkov yet. Now you go and add to it 
. More to learn!
Stationary magnets work, but are only basic effective stuff. There is much more. I will not elaborate here. The problem is that you can not, by any means, approach that by traditional thinking and measuring.
A hybrid way to approach things would be BioGeometry (Karim). This covers a lot of core concepts of how the real world works. This is as far as I will go here.