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Joints & Arthritis
#121

Welcome to the amazing world of ICES PEMF technology. If you work up to 8 hours a day and do that for a week, I would be surprised if you don’t notice reduced pain and improvement in your knee function. I think the torn meniscus could take a month of using it as above to see if your body can repair that without doing PRP or Ozone injections (which healed my torn meniscus).

I have chondromalacia patella and I am using coils in side by side config, held in place relative to each other with self adhesive bandage, and using the flex wrap to keep it on my knee. I use Alpha or Omni 8. For me, ICES PEMF is the only thing that allows me to stay active (cardio, resistance training) by helping me repair ligament injuries or stop pain when that happens (I have mutations in Col5a1 and Col3a1 genes - on the Ehler’s Danos spectrum - so injuries happen more frequently than those I know who don’t have this syndrome).

#122

You should be able to get a follow up X-ray, even if it means going to another doctor and explaining your need.

It’s frustrating because I suspect some doctors may have a reluctance to admit pemf works. Sometimes it’s about dismissing a patient who has “ideas” based on their personal research and experience with their bodies.

People need to be able to get legitimate questions answered, even if they have to pay out of pocket.

#123

I completely agree. .

#124

I like https://laboratoryassist.com and https://radiologyassist.com/ which allow cash prepay for lab and radiology orders at very good rates (in my experience). I typically have to list the primary care physician and they may have to be contacted for the radiology order, but in general I like being an empowered consumer with this resource.

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#125

Thank you for the excellent info. Fellow sufferer here.

#126

I was thinking about using dmso as a carrier for some kind of joint med, for arthritic finger, for starters. Haven’t researched enough to determine what that med could be. Thanks for posting that product. Last bottle I got from a local feed store. It’s veterinary grade, and presumably safe.

#127

@Bob Bob - I am so happy! I made my first post on the forum on Apr 6, '19 5:10 PM. I just came from my Dr’s office. I had a bilateral MRI of both hips on 3/3/25. I had arthritis full thickness cartilage defects in my right hip and THE ARTHRITIS IN MY HIP IS COMPLETELY HEALED. My most recent MRI notes say “no significant cartilage loss”. My doctor told me I am the first patient she has ever had that has had hip cartilage regeneration, let alone complete regeneration, confirmed with an MRI image. I just called your company because I was so happy :slight_smile:

What I did:

I had a LIPOGEMS stem cell surgery in October 2018 where a liposuction of fat was taken from my stomach and injected into my hip

I used ICES PEMF continuously daily for the last 5 years.

I purchased a Curatron ULTRA-FLASH unit and used it daily for the last 3 years.

I purchased an infrared light and used it while I was sitting in a char & shined it on my hip socket…https://redlightman.com/product/infrared-mini-830/

I took vitamin K2 and vitamin D supplements daily for the last year

I believe my outcome is a result of all of the things I’ve done in total. I noticed that I felt strong electrical feeling shocks in my groin after I had the Lipogems stem cell procedure in 2018, I think those “shocks” I felt was a rapid reduction in inflammation. I noticed I felt those same “shock” sensations after I started using PEMF on my hip. I also felt “shock” sensations when I used near infrared light on my arthritic hip. The shocks I felt was the hint to me that what I was doing - was actually doing something. I think I was able to suppress the inflammation in my hip thus creating a healing environment for the arthritis to heal.

I remember a time when I was in my early 20s… and when I came home from work I would go right to laying in bed because of pain. I remember thinking how that was no way to live. I was once worried that I was going to need a hip replacement by the time I was 40. I am now 39 and the hip arthritis I had is confirmed by an MRI image as being COMPLETELY HEALD.

Thank you for your research and your efforts. I hope my experiences will provide encouragement and help others.

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#128

This is really spectacular! I am very happy for you and thank you for the detailed report. This will help many people. And it shows that this process takes years. Persistence is key for success.

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#129

I have been placing stacked coils above and below the knee joint. Is this necessary? Is there benefit to having the coils on the bottom, top, left and right? Does Intensity matter? Omni-8 is the best program?

#130

FWIW, I put the coils over where it hurts. I use Alpha or Omni-8 at intensity 9.

#131

Hi I need advice on gout on my right foot, how do I use the a9 to reduce pain and inflammation? How long should I use the A9? Thank you

#132

Stack the coils bumpy-side-to-bumpy-side, tap them together, place them over the center of the point of greatest pain or inflammation.

Hold the stacked coils in place by whatever means works for you:
ace bandage, COBAN wrap, slipped into a sock, …

Initially:
Set the device to M (Medium). Higher settings may irritate your condition.
Insert a freshly-charged 9V battery
Insert the cable to the coils firmly into the A9. Make sure they are inserted all the way.

Turn the device ON
Make sure the green LED on the A9 is flashing
Replace the 9V battery with a freshly-charged battery about every 4 to 6 hours
Wear the device at least 4 to 6 hours per day, longer if possible, can be all day and night.

Modify coil placement and intensity setting to see what works best for you.

This may take several days or weeks.

#133

I have been told that anything longer than 1 hour is too much. What are your thoughts Bob and why?

#134

Bob’s advice is to wear the device at least 4 to 6 hours per day, longer if possible, and it can be all day and night. Who is telling you more than 1 hour is too much? I have a hunch that is someone not familiar with ICES PEMF (Dr. Bob Dennis’ invention). That may be the case with other PEMF devices, most of which are high gauss. ICES PEMF is designed to be worn/carried with you throughout the day. In my personal experience, as many hours as possible of ICES PEMF works best for me.

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#135

@TajD is correct IMO.

A bit more technical detail:

“too much” is in reference to dose.

“Dose” is defined as total amount (over-simplified, but basically correct)

“total amount” = rate * time

“rate” = how much of something per unit time

“time” is where your question about the exposure to PEMF being too long (> 1 hour)

So, this really reduces to a question of rate, which is:
radiation power (energy per unit time)

Therefore an equivalent question would be to ask:
“Is too much power too much?”

I think so.

#136

A chiropractor who believes that wearing something more than 1 hour is over treating. We are running Omni-8 at 12 for 3 to 4 hours a session with stacked coils.

Does the same duration principle apply when using it on the head?

#137

What is too much power?

#138

What is too much of anything? Mostly this is unknown. Certainly it is unknown for most forms of electromagnetic energy and the effects on biological processes. There are some guidelines, for example ICNIRP:

https://www.icnirp.org/en/activities/news/news-article/rf-data-gaps-statement.html

The ICNIRP is the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection. They will give you graphs and calculations to help you attempt to answer this question for specific environments and exposures, if you can get accurate technical specifications from each PEMF manufacturer (good luck with that).

Even this highly technical society that specializes only in one narrow range of electromagnetism effects on biology will start right off by telling you right up front what the huge knowledge gaps are.

Basically, you could study this full time for your whole life, and not be able to answer your question.

So, what can we do? Well, we can use common sense. Here is the logical guideline that I used when developing ICES-PEMF technology:

What is the smallest fraction of an electromagnetic pulse that can be used to result in the most desirable biological effects?

It turns out that after about 20 years of studying this, I was able to reduce the energy contained in magnetic pulses down to about 1/500th of a full “square wave” while still retaining all of the measurable biological benefits.

This means that I could get the same biological benefit from 300 mW (0.3 Watts) of power as crude PEMF systems could get from 150 Watts.

So, when using ICES-PEMF you are getting exposed to only 0.2% of the electromagnetic radiation power that you would get exposed to when using a crude PEMF system. So, at the simplest level, if a safe exposure time for a crude PEMF system is 1 hour, then the same dose from ICES-PEMF would be delivered over a 500 hour period. Or, conversely, if ICES-PEMF should be limited to 1 hour for safety concerns, then crude PEMF systems should be limited to 1/500 = 7.2 seconds of total use.

Since no one has done the trillions of dollars and centuries of scientific research it would take to map out all types of electromagnetic exposure at all power levels on all organisms for all biological effects, we need to make a few common sense generalizations. Here is mine:

Get the most beneficial effects you can for the least amount of total electromagnetic power in the least dangerous (lowest frequency) range.

Then, with just a couple of decades of work, the result is ICES-PEMF technology.

How much is too much? Depends, but in my opinion a good rule of thumb would be that it is about 500 times less dangerous than a functionally equivalent dose of crude PEMF exposure.