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Ongoing log of wife's treatment of tendinosis

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#13

yes source is important and unfortunately with all the other snake oil cos out there along with the honest, decent ones, it does take some time to find the right co.

while only one pubmed article won’t explain the wonders like a marketing page from a company would, this one gives you an idea as well as how important source is. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6151376/#!po=4.16667

I’ve been reading up on fulvic and searching for decent cos that sell a quality product.

being unregulated, it is hard to have a reliable standard of process or quality control… over the last few months i came across this being used on a few forums with counties people sharing their results with pics of before and after. the anecdotes shared were compelling. the idea of taking a nutrient dense supplement did also pique my interest.

the one i decided to try it is the fulvic 350x by optimally organic… they do not have the tar/lignite that is found in shilajit and usually associated with the heavy metals.

their coa (certificate of analysis) breaks down the components of their product they source for whatever that is worth.

I’ve only been on for about 3 weeks and i can’t tell anything special yet…i also started low and slow 1 drop x3 a day to eventually 7 3x

only thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve been gassy the times I’ve taken shortly after. oddly, the time I’d go :poop: in the a.m. has changed to p.m. (9-10p vs 10-11a window).

weird… quality of :poop:… whatever it’s doing the gases were different in a potent, pungent way :thinking::astonished::upside_down_face:

i plan to do a hair test to to determine heavy metals levels… not quite planned properly as i didn’t get a baseline before beginning. nonetheless, I’ll measure now and 4 mos from now to see how things look.

the wild wild west of natural health is a mixed bag. i guess will see how things go, but from the testimonies I’ve seen from people i know in other forums and reviews about fulvic, it seemed like it was worth a shot for what it does for health.

#14

Thanks, sounds interesting but I can’t risk it as wife already has digestive issues that are being managed by probiotics, fermented foods, fiber, SBI and Endefen products.

#15

10/6/21 Pain in wife’s feet less since switching back to A9 program on the C5 from Omni8. However, not sure if this is due to program switch or more aggressive lasering and topical DMSO.

Will also begin using A9 with quad coil on wife’s chronic back pain. She is mostly wheelchair bound so sitting all day aggravates back. The little that she can use a walker does relieve the back pain to some extent so the Catch-22 for her is to get her feet better so she can stand/walk more and help with back pain.

#16

It might be more effective to use a different coil configuration:
1- coils side-by-side across the spine
2- Coils stacked bumpy side-to-bumpy side (taped together) directly over the point of greatest pain

If the quad coil array does not provide significant relief, you should consider trying these.

#17

Thanks Bob. It appears it may be helping. The advantage of the quad is of course it covers a bigger area and she’s wearing it 8 hours a day. Moving a stacked or side by side double around over the wide areas of pain would become too tedious for her. We’ll see…

Using the C5’s A9 setting has eliminated the additional pain she was experiencing with her feet using the Omni8 setting. I can’t be sure however as we have also increased the amount of laser she is getting.

#18

If it works that’s great and stick with the quad coils. Sometimes though PEMF seems act a bit like acupuncture placement is more important than area, and larger needles are not necessary. Just placing a deeper field on the right point can relieve an entire area.

Note: the trade-off with coils is this: more area = less depth of penetration. For the greatest depth of penetration use stacked coils, which give you only a single coil of area but 4 times the depth of penetration of the quad coil.

Different people and different injuries respond differently though, so you will find that one coil configuration will work noticeably better then the others.

ICES M1 - Depth of penetration
#19

Thanks Bob. If she gets a sharp pain in one area (it’s usually diffuse) I will change tactics.

#20

With quad we went from A9 low to medium and her back pain seemed to get worse. Has this ever happened before?

#21

very rarely. The solution involves using different coil placement. See my response to you 2 days ago, reposted here:

It might be more effective to use a different coil configuration:
1- coils side-by-side across the spine
2- Coils stacked bumpy side-to-bumpy side (taped together) directly over the point of greatest pain

If the quad coil array does not provide significant relief, you should consider trying these.

Also, ICES-PEMF results in a reduction of swelling, which redistributes mechanical loading on joints (including the spine) which may be experienced as an initial phase of discomfort. Using one of the coil configurations I specify above and LOW intensity is the strategy most likely to have good results. You may also simply need to stay with LOW intensity since she seems to be very responsive to PEMF, and therefore the intensity should be kept low.

But if discomfort intensifies or continues for more than 4 to 5 days, then this may be one of the rare cases where PEMF is not helpful.

#22

Thanks Bob.
I stopped ICES for now because her back got so suddenly worse so fast over 2 days. She’s going to need a 6 day methylprednisolone pack. Ironically the only thing that makes her back better is massage (I’m a fairly experienced masseuse). I’m scared to use the A9 on her now. On a brighter note, her feet are doing better, however it’s because I increased treatment times with the laser. Her back pain is preventing me from treating her feet either with the A9 or C5.

#23

I’m curious… I’ve seen comments in forums about people being sensitive to wifi, cell phone and other various emf type sources. have you found that she’s sensitive to such devices as well? have you tried turning off sources and even using an insulated “space blanket” (those mylar or aluminum shielded blankets)?

wondering if she’s in one of those situations where she’s very sensitive to emf where a specific pemf source tips her over.

I’ve always seen claims about sensitivity to emf and wondered if that sensitivity could be confirmed by testing exposure

#24

Sorry, just saw this. Yes, she is highly sensitive to emf. Had to return an iPhone because it gave her headaches because iPhones have the highest emf levels of all phones. Got her a Samsung Note which is much lower and headaches went away. Had to return a large PEMF mat (not ICES) because the emf made her very uncomfortable.

#25

UPDATE on wife’s C5 treatment:
Despite trying both C5 and A9 sets at various power levels, I had to discontinue treating her as her feet would start to hurt after 2-3 days consecutive use of 2 hours/day with no discernible improvement. Very frustrating, as I was hoping the C5 with the large mat array would be helpful. The only thing now that appears to be helping slightly is the cold laser.

#26

On the flip side, the A9 absolutely cured my plantar and also greatly helps my shoulder rotator cuff pain.

#27

The was individuals respond, and their individual sensitivity, can be really different. There really is no “one size fits all” for PEMF.

#28

Update: Going to restart using the C5 on my wife’s feet but this time with a very low power setting of 4, starting with 1 hour/day. It seemed like anything more than that, time or power, and her feet were achy the next day.
Unrelated, but so far the thing that has worked best on relieving her pain is twice daily foot massage with Traumaplant Comfrey cream. I have stopped using laser on her as it seems to do nothing or possibly increases pain. Very frustrating.

#29

Question for Bob:
The 16 coil mat placed underneath my wife’s feet wasn’t doing anything as her tendinosis is in the metatarsals on top of her feet. So, I’m going to use the C5 and take approx 7 coils and attach them (either with velcro or hand stitch them) to the outside of a sock/booty or maybe a neoprene boot in the exact positions where her feet hurt.

  1. Will the thickness of the nylon/cotton or neoprene interfere with PEMF penetration? (Maybe just bump up the power a little?)
  2. With this arrangement, there will be coils next to each other as well as across or perpendicular to each other. Is this a problem?

I’m determined to make this work and I have a feeling (hope) this may attack her tendinosis more directly, as well as treat all the painful spots simultaneously and more effectively. Thanks.

#30

The nylon/cotton will not pose a problem, just keep it as thin as you reasonably can to get the coils as close to the skin as possible.

It might help to use coil pairs instead of a pad. You will get MUCH more effective penetration if you use a single pair of stacked coils (bumpy-side-to-bumpy-side, taped together). Place directly over the point of pain, or over the center of the pain if it is a larger area.

Even better, consider try placing coils on opposite sides (top and bottom of the foot), with bumpy side of each coil away from the skin.

If you decide to try either (or both) of those, keep at it every day for at least 2-3 weeks, 6-8 hours per day. Then let us know how it worked for her.

The key thing is not to try to treat every spot simultaneously. Choose the most painful or original spot where the pain first appeared. If you treat this thoroughly, pain in other locations tends to be reduced.

The theory behind this is that the original injury acts as a pro-inflammatroy signal “beacon” that causes inflammation in other locations secondarily, and if you can quench the signal from this original pro-inflammatory source, you benefit because this signal is no longer driving pathologic inflammation throughout the body and causing problems elsewhere.

One thing to watch out for is that when you employ this strategy, when the original source of pain is reduced, all of a sudden then all other locations of lesser pain feel much worse (more pain). This is a sensory illusion, explained by the theory of lateral inhibition of sensory neurons in the cortex. Briefly, your brain tends to focus on the one largest pain signal, and it does so by dialing down adjacent pain signals. So, when the main signal is reduced, the other pain signals get dialed back up and you get the illusion of more pain.

Sometimes people will tend to panic, thinking “oh my god, now its worse all over, what have I done!!!???” Then they either quit abruptly or they try to chase around the many different points of pain throughout their body with coils. The many of them demand that I build a whole-body machine.

But that is not the most effective strategy, and the sensory illusion of “more pain” is temporary. The best strategy is to understand this illusion, and just keep treating the original source of pain until it is completely recovered and the cortex has had a chance to re-equilibrate to sense the pain signals correctly. If you stick to this strategy, the effect (about 90% of the time) is that first the main source of pain and inflammation will subside, then many or all other locations of pain will also tend to fade away.

#31

Thanks Bob for the detailed description! The wrinkle here is that there was no “one” injury spot. This is a generalized tendon degeneration syndrome in most of the foot originally caused by Reflex Sympathetic Distrophy which led to tendinosis throughout the feet and ankles. So it’s almost everywhere, altho there are parts that hurt more than others. The spot that hurts the most is on top of the right foot at the head of the 2nd and 3rd metatarsals. I had been putting 2 A9 coils side by side over all or most of the metatarsals at low power for about 3-4 hours a day with no discernible improvement. I had briefly tried raising the power but that increased the pain (she is EMF sensitive–cell phones against the ear gave her headaches). So maybe a stacked double over just the 2nd and 3rd metatarsals at low power will be better?

#32

that is what I am thinking. Give that a try.