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#12

maybe… i can’t tell how effective ICES has been for my liver health. I got into ICES for my wife’s lower back problems (definitely helps!); and eventually for my aunt’s arthritis; another aunt’s broken arm healing; my kids’ bumps and bruises; my mother-in-law’s misstep and fall bruising her chest badly; my mom’s frozen shoulder; my friend’s tennis elbow; my kids stuffy nose from having a cold; my friend’s stiff and painful hand; my friend’s sciatica. All the above worked, except for the sciatica. To be fair, it was just using an a9 and single pair of coils. I tried this early on w/virtually no experience or knowledge like i have today (2yrs later).

as for my liver, yes… i had to adjust my diet (still working on my other bad metrics) and this may or may not have helped: NAC - this is a useful video to learn a li’l more in practical use

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forgot to mention activated charcoal… i tried that recently… the constipation wasn’t fun… i go everyday… was stuck for 2 days haha… low and slow. i took 2 capsules (600mg ea)… taking 1 was fine tho. and ya, i’m a newbie to activated charcoal, bentonite, etc… I’ve read not to take those too regularly, and to be strategic w/them…buuuuut again, i haven’t really dug deep nor have experimented much w/them.

#13

I’ve been using NAC on a rotational basis, and activated charcoal as well. I tend to rotate through activated charcoal or Pectasol C at bedtime or after infrared sauna. I had constipation at first with charcoal, but upping dietary fiber helped considerably.

I can tell a difference with my liver function (and perhaps overall mitochondrial function) based on some odd symptoms like idiopathic neuropathy and body temperature changes. I also occasionally get upper right quadrant pain, so that’s an indicator as well. When any of these improve, then my liver is functioning better. There are also less bothersome, but still noticeable symptoms, such as dry skin and eyes that improve when my liver function is optimized. All of these are things that conventional medicine dismisses, or say don’t show up on their tests, but I still notice. Some doctors have perceived me as a hypochondriac, but I know what my body feels like when its healthy vs not, and I know it’s not all in my head. I think maybe I’m just observant, or sensitive, when others might not be so much.

I have had some outside testing done in alternative settings that revealed glyphosate toxicity, among others. So, I’m doing what I can with diet, exercise, etc. I’m hoping that PEMF will really move the needle though. I started last night with the deep field coil for just 30 minutes on the most logical location for me, and within 15 felt very sleepy. I stopped at about 30 because I was getting nauseated, which I know can be a sign that the liver is overloaded. I ate something and took some activated charcoal at bedtime. I don’t know if it’s coincidence or not, but my migraine from the day was gone when I woke up this morning, and I had two bowel movements today when I normally have one. I’ll try it again tonight for about 30 minutes and see how it goes. I’m hoping to be able to work up to longer sessions, but low and slow is the recommendation here, so I’ll stick to that.

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#14

That’s so good that you have the level of self awareness and observation and discipline to go slow which will greatly improve your outcome in my opinion. I am curious as you execute this transformation what your cognition, energy, and presence are like down the road (several months?). What glyphosate toxicity test did you do? the Great Plains Labs EnviroTOX panel? Do you possibly live near a golf course, a rural area with farming, or in Florida? Another idea is to buy the Brain Gauge (sold on this site) and see how your performance changes as you execute this shift. I own the Brain Gauge and find it pretty amazing.

#15

I did the test through Great Plains. I lived in a rural area as a kid, across from a cotton field. I also never realized the importance of eating organic until my late 20s/early 30s. I also dealt with loads of strep and sinus infections as a kid, and was prescribed antibiotics several times each fall/winter, which certainly didn’t support my microbiome. (But it’s what was done then, and not much was known about the microbiome at that time, so now I’m trying to clean up the mess.)

Overall, Brain Gauge is intriguing to me, but I’m much more concerned with my body’s performance than brain, though they are certainly interconnected.

I used my C5 last night at bedtime for 2-3 hours as I read to my kids and listened to a podcast. I woke up about 11 and turned it off. I didn’t have the nausea that I did the other day, but could definitely feel shifts in blood flow and also experienced hunger about 20 minutes after starting the program. Interesting stuff. I look forward to more experimentation, and hopefully healing.

#16

Wishing you great success on your journey to health and looking forward to hearing how it goes. I also find lymph drainage very important. Rebounding or using a vibration plate are two mechanical ways to facilitate drainage that we have tried. We tried dry brushing as well but didn’t notice much of an effect, but we likely weren’t doing it correctly. We tried a couple homeopathic tonics to support drainage and didn’t notice much of an effect either. Have you confirmed you don’t have mold poisoning? I chased many rabbit holes for 5 years and only recently realized that is one of the core issues our family is facing.

#17

just wanted to share a quick anecdote. Last night I had the opportunity to use the entire c5 allllll to myself. Usually I split it between my wife and me. She had fallen asleep downstairs and I couldn’t get her to move to her bed.

So I had 2 (2x2 coils), and 2 pairs… all stacked. In the past, I have used 2 stacked pairs or 2 stacked 2x2 coils and pulsed at about 11-13 range all night w/o any noticeable side-effect/symptoms. I wanted to focus on my gut, so I placed the stacked 2x2’s on my liver - closer to center … and the 2 other pairs stacked, placed side by side contiguous to the 2x2 stack. the 2 pairs basically covered the hepatic portal vein and maybe a bit towards right side where pancreas is (about an inch+ to the right of center). Set my c5 to 12 and let that go for maybe 8-9hrs over night on omni 8 setting.

I woke up to a frontal lobe headache… somewhat throbbing at about 5 out of 10 pain. it was “nice” to wake up to that in that I was able to get some kind of reaction from the pemf. haha… i am assuming the headache was from detox. was a pleasant surprise… I then moved the coils to my head, laying down on my side. I placed 2x2 on left side of head between head and pillow and other 2x2 on right side of my head. I placed 1 pair stacked at front of forehead and the other pair at back of head. Changed the pattern to alpha, set to 6 and let that go for 30mins easily.

I’ve tried using ices for my wife’s headaches/migraines to no avail. I rarely get headaches and when I do, it’s usually from some detox in overdoing some supplement where I would just take L-Ornithine (4g) and headache all gone. side note: this works bc usually whatever die off i’m dealing with generates a lot of ammonia… L-Ornithine nicely counteracts that excess and my headache is resolved w/o having to take some drug (yay me).

Using ICES for my headache, this was the first time i had “full coverage” at deep coil setting… headache disappeared within 5mins… I kept it going for a good hour resting in bed. it was a lazy sunday (late) morning.

I imagine my gut ices blast helped the healthy microbiome and maybe in that process the die-off of whatever was healing in my gut caused the headache in the morning. I wish I had more details as to what was going on in my gut. I can only guess a good amount of die-off happened last night, hence the headache i almost never get.

My wife’s back is acting up, so I’ll have to relent all use to her this week.

the experiment continues!

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#18

Thanks for the tip on l-ornithine for headaches from dieoff.

If you don’t usually have diarrhea, did you have diarrhea within 24-48 hours of this? My experience with ICES PEMF on the gut or anywhere on the abdomen area is that it will cause diarrhea if there is any microbiome shifting caused by its use.

#19

no…in fact i didn’t go today at all. kinda bummed. it may be that i took too much de the night before. I’ve been inconsistent so my body might need to readjust… too much and can get a bit constipated.

L ornithine only works if your type of die off creates excess ammonia. i started with 500mg… nothing…1g total… nothing…2-4g for me seems to offset whatever my liver can’t handle. Google for details (I’m sure you already have)

i have not ever had any real gut issues… the most activity I’ve had is gas and maybe an eventual bm.

#20

I’ve been meaning to share/ask you about this… have you tried a liver/gallbladder flush yet? I’ve been taking lemon n acv 2x daily for the last week… I’ve considered doing this flush, but i want to clean up my diet and reset first while taking lemon n acv.

these accounts were enlightening:



#21

I have not done the flush yet. I’ve considered it, but need to find a season when I can truly rest. That is difficult to do with small children and a full time job. I also don’t tend to do well with fasting, likely because my hyperthyroid condition causes my metabolism to be higher than most. So the prep for the flush isn’t the easiest for me.

I have tried a modified version, but it didn’t really improve things.

I’ve also done some coffee enemas, which helped some, but not a ton. Hyperbaric oxygen treatments help significantly, but they are really pricey and there’s not a center locally. The closest center is over an hour and a half away. I’ve done 20 treatments there, with good results.

It’s all a balancing act. I feel like I know what I need to do for my health (HBOT, PEMF, and alpha lipoic acid seem to move the needle the most), but it’s also a time and budget thing. Making the time to exercise daily is also a priority, which I’ll admit I’ve not been doing a great job at lately. I wish our current medical system made some of the “alternative” treatments more accessible.

#22

We haven’t yet tried a liver/gall bladder flush yet. 1/4 tsp castor oil over our gall bladder area and then wiped off 1 minute later caused tremendous die off. We are cleaning up our indoor air first, fixing root cause of mold issues, and may try some transdermal phosphatidylcholine to help remove the mycotoxins trapped in tissues. Then, may try a flush :wink:

#23

ya … I’ve been just doing the daily acv and lemon… so hard for me to get used even after 2 weeks of taking it daily haha. i have noticed little pebbles come out this just by that alone. not a lot, but a few to know it’s doing something. I’ll work my way up to it tho!

#24

How much ACV and Lemon do you use? Would the lemon damage teeth enamel over time (how does one mitigate that)?

#25

I do ACV in water prior to meals. It helps some. Lemon water is also a regular for me, just on a general basis. I’ve not noticed changes in digestion or elimination because of these, but I know it helps some overall, so I keep doing it.

#26

moritz protocol calls for 4oz and a half lemon i believe. i personally do 1/4 of a large lemon and 3 oz 1-2x a day… I’d say half the time i do 2x a day.

you can dilute with water and drink as a tea but I’m not a fan of the taste so i try to get it over ASAP as a shot and rinse my mouth thoroughly with water (and swallow). you may want to start with a low amount for a week or so and build up, of course…

#27

Thanks! I will try it and report back.

#28

Since this one is about liver, I had some questions regarding studies I read. I believe these were about high intensity devices… But they say two different things. Actually one is just an article and one is a study. Do you have any thoughts on this @Bob? I have posted the links below.


Conclusion: These results demonstrate that long-term exposure to PEMF can lead to oxidative damage of the liver and spleen.
HOW PEMF THERAPY MAY HEAL INFLAMMATION OF THE LIVER
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#29

I have given the topic of PEMF and liver tissue a lot of thought, and over the years I have tried many times to develop a scientific collaboration to study this. I have never been able to get sufficient serious interest, and overall, I think the science is weak in this area. Liver tissue damage due to PEMF may simply be due to the high-intensity chronic exposure, I don’t know, and lower energy (more efficient) PEMF systems are definitely less likely to cause this type of damage. Whether or not PEMF can reliably reduce liver inflammation also remains an open question.

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#30

@OptimalHealth have you tried getting a Fibroscan done on your liver? I find that to be a great way to track liver health each year. Going low carb has made a massive difference.

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#31

i had one come some time ago when my liver enzymes were unusually high… they discovered i had fatty liver disease. my last scan showed things has improved, but could still improve the condition… thx for the reminder, i need to get back on track on this and follow up with another scan soon.