Hello, I noticed a few people talking about the healthyline pemf mats in this thread and just wanted to add this link as it seems to be very cheaply made and actually could be harming people.
Peace
I had been advised that natural organic fibers like cotton, silk, and wool have a beneficial wavelength that is more conductive than synthetics materials that could possibly interfere with the PEMF signal. Have you tested for using pads below different materials?
Statements have been made that wearing natural materials may also increase negative radiation from Wifi, cellular, and stray EMF signals. Is this also so?
Hi @JILL, people occasionally ask me this kind of question, so I think there is a lot of interest, and a lot of misunderstanding.
Just to set the stage, there are really important and legitimate fields of science that study wavelengths and frequencies related to materials, physical processes, and life itself. We know (know = can measure, replicate, and verify) many things by studying wavelengths and frequencies. Things we have learned include: How old are distant stars, how well are nerve axons conducting, are trace chemicals present in a substance or on a surface, how does light work (in space, through matter), what exactly is âcolorâ, how do plants extract energy from sunlight, and countless other things like this. This is real, sold, valuable, provable science.
There are also a lot of things we do not know about frequencies and wavelengths. These include the health effects of various electro-magnetic emissions. I think many people, including myself, believe the negative health effects are real, and we need to study them seriously because we donât quite understand these effects yet.
Then there is a third category, where some people make claims about frequencies and wavelengths when they have no actual information. Maybe they just have a strong intuition, maybe they are just taking an honest guess when they observe an effect, or maybe they are intentionally committing fraud. Examples would be:
1 - I just have a strong feeling about synthetic fibers (intuition)
2 - Natural unbleached cotton always makes me feel better, so maybe it has a special frequency (honest guess)
3 - As a clinician, you will pay me to tell you which foods to eat, which fabrics to wear, and what colors to paint your walls because I know the special secret frequencies that are good and bad. If you ask me to explain or prove it, I will show you a mash-up of images from the Tibetan Book of the Dead, some Egyptian hieroglyphs, combined with altered figures from an introductory Physics text book. (I could be wrong, but Iâm thinking⊠fraud)
Believe it or not, I think there is a place for all of this, including a bit of fraud.
Intuition - Most discoveries throughout history result from chance or intuition, or both if you happen to be very skillful (chance favors the prepared mind). But once you have a chance discovery or the epiphany of intuition, you then need to follow up with real science: repeated observations, measurements, hypothesis tests, etc.
Honest guess - People have to do this all the time because we need to make important decisions with incomplete information. But before anyone runs forward with these honest guesses to give clinical advice to other people, they have the responsibility to do a lot more serious work first.
Fraud - Not my favorite, but from time to time I have to tell myself little lies just to coax myself forward. I have to play confidence games with myself: âGo ahead Bob, give it a try, you can make it work or figure it out.â Initially I might be doubtful, but sometimes it does work. A bit of optimistic self-talk can be useful, especially when you start to try to solve very difficult problems. But I strictly limit fraudulent talk to cases where I think it will really be helpful. I think this is broadly true: clinicians with positive attitudes are known to have better patient outcomes compared to pessimistic clinicians, even when both are fully aware that the realistic prognosis is not favorable.
OK, lots of philosophical talk, but how does this relate to your question?
The wording of your question, which I presume is based on what they told you, sounds to me like they do not know the meanings of the technical words they are using, but I could be wrong.
Have I tested different fabrics/materials with our ICES-PEMF coils? Absolutely. I have done extensive testing and made countless measurements. The results are: exactly the advice I give people on how to use coils. You can find this throughout this FORUM, briefly: any kind of cloth or bandage is OK, but try to avoid metal sheets, plates, screens, etc.
Negative WiFi radiation increased by⊠Sounds like BS to me. I could be wrong, but I would chalk this up to the basic observation that some people benefit from wearing natural fibers, but then they extrapolate to make pseudo-scientific guesses that are probably wildly wrong.
So, in general when people make claims of the health effects of fabrics, foods, scents, etc., they may base this on observations of the effects on health, but these effects are probably not due to a âfrequencyâ or âwavelengthâ. The effect may be real, but IMO their explanations are usually based on nothing.
So, whether or not you take their advice, you should try to judge where they are on the spectrum:
Intuition â honest guess ---- Fraud
Even bad people can occasionally give good advice, but you need to put their advice into the greater context of who is saying it, why they are saying it, are they really trying to help you, or are they trying to do something else.
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The talk of material interfering with therapy sounds very much like what they talk about in the grounding/earthing groups. certain materials like synthetic fabrics can interfere with making contact with a grounding mat. not all materials are conductive so they do recommend certain materials like cotton. on that subject they are not talking about frequencies or magnetic waves.
on the note about science that Bob had mentioned above, fortunately thereâs hard science about grounding that you can hang your hat on. itâs rooted in electrical conductivity. the studies about the benefit of grounding are varied like that of pemf⊠i personally like many others have found benefit and results from grounding⊠namely in how it relaxes my body measured but hrv (heart rate variability)
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This makes a lot of sense to me too.
We also do grounding with a cotton blanket with in-woven silver strands connected to its own grounding stick. Cable goes through the frame of the widnow. We have a god feeling with this and it is low-tech and cheap. Maybe our 60-70 cm (25 inch) thick solid clay and stone walls help, too. Synthetics are bad, because of static charge.
Best,
Hans
@Bob This is interesting. I assume most murine studies are performed with a coil configuration that covers the entire bottom of the cage. This would provide a total body exposure similar to that of a âwhole bodyâ mat. I guess Some studies would have to be carried out using tiny coils applying local PEMF to the region of investigation, to see if rodents / other mamalia respond in the same way. Experimentally challenging for sure. But if your hypothesis holds true, it might be that PEMF has the potential for even stronger effects than most murine studies to date would suggestâŠ
we try a lot of different things, and I donât think any of them actually work well for rodents. But we do see a response. Interestingly, it takes a lot more power to get a whole body effect on a mouse or rat than it takes to do an effective focal treatment on a cat or a dog, for example.
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I remember reading a study done @ Wake Forest on rats using PEMF to help with peripheral nerve damage from fragmentation injuries (simulated). They talked about using gait analysis to estimate impairment, and it was clear a majority of the subjects werenât cooperative. But the microscopic results were pretty clear; better innervation, and myelin sheath regrowth. I can relate this anecdote from this past week regarding PEMF use on our 2 oldest dogs (15 y/o ACD & 9 y/o Canne Corso). They had both been having increasingly bad days (pain / arthritis) for the past couple of days, on the 3rd day it was clearly very bad (and dogs hide pain) so I put the KT Wave PEMF loops we have on them, after which we headed out to Tractor Supply. Upon our return (45-60 mins) they were different dogs; animated, playful, even downright frisky. So our experience is inline with your comments regarding the effectiveness of PEMF on dogs.
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dogs and cats respond remarkably well. My brother reversed feline kidney disease on his rescue cat just by using just a standard A9 three times/week for 20 minutes per session. Had to do this a few months, but it brought his catâs creatinine steadily down to normal levels.
Horses are even more responsive. Almost unbelievably so. And just using a 40 mm diameter coil.
Having observed these responses from small and large animals directly and vicariously for a few decades, I tend to think that PEMF is best used as a form of acupuncture, not like a tanning booth.
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That is impressive!
Iâve seen a lot of that online at horse shows and events
There is a so much to learn about the applicability of PEMF, of course itâs always important to keep individual variability in mind. I am ever frustrated by how different (less) my wifeâs responsiveness it to PEMF compared to the rest of the family. Of course that could be because she has been dealing with various autoimmune syndromes since she was a teenager, and I am only just now beginning to encounter such issues. I will persist, unfortunately if I am not around (traveling for work) she isnât very diligent in using it, in all fairness probably because of the lack of or delay in any positive feedback.
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