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Thoughts on Sleep

Sleep
#36

my continued use on forehead using Omni stacked, power 8 (or 10 side by side) has for the last week+ been effective in giving my restful sleep compared to not using.

what would you @Bob recommend a good test setup be that i (we) should try. my Garmin definitely reflects a change in my restlessness and quality of sleep without pemf

i have done 2-3 days with the “brain frequencies” and they aren’t nearly as effective if i want a restful (per Garmin measures and waking up middle of night), uninterrupted sleep.

#37

Honestly, I do not understand the science of sleep well enough to formulate a comprehensive experiment on the topic, but as a practical matter, I would say that people seek ways to achieve better sleep because they do not feel their sleep is adequately deep and/or restful, not because of a number from a test result, like blood pressure or a blood panel.

So, I would start by simply taking note of that feeling each time you try something new: does it seem to help or not? I don’t think sleep is well understood in general, so I think it is likely that our measurements of sleep are just indirect “proxy” measurements of sleep quality. These are simply the things we can measure, such as movement, temperature, or skin galvanometry to name a few, then we try to infer what this might mean for sleep.

But I would say the bottom line is: how do you feel? Better, worse, about the same?

As for test setups, once again, this is a huge unknown, plus the fact that everyone responds differently. The biggest arguments I have seen between clinicians who use PEMF are its effects on sleep. I would look at any study in this area as a nearly total individual study: what is best for that one unique individual? That will require trial and error on all aspects: pulse pattern, coil placement, intensity, duration, etc.

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#38

Hello. I am very interested if you have any more comments on using your M1 for improved sleep.

#39

Been sleeping fine these days, no need at this point.

#40

Got an email from Dr. Pawluk’s site claiming a 71% Success Rate against insomnia with his XPulser device. Anybody using one with good results? Also, I see it uses 1 frequency: 3 hz. Doesn’t the C5 have that as an option?

#41

My N-1 night 1 experiment.

  • A9 lowest setting
  • 2x2 coil array
  • Lower abdomen for 15 minutes before sleeping.

This gave me 1 hour 30 minutes of deep sleep measured by my Oura ring.
2 to 3 times the longest deep sleep measured over years of measuring.

More to try :wink:

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#42

I gifted our Hari Japanese Acupuncturist last week a P9 now that they are in production. He has been playing with the different protocols and interestingly used the P9 with Mu Wave on the Thymus for 2 minutes to induce a calm state and induce a restorative sleep. I share this in case any one else wants to try this.

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#43

The reasons no one can sleep anymore is all the technology around us. WiFi, cellphones, smart meters, Apple Watches, ear buds, satellite, etc. etc.

My spouse and I used to have sleep issues until we did an experiment and turned off our WiFi in our house for 7 days. After the 5 night, he said no more (the iPad lover) we’re going wired. Even better, we had our electrician build a kill switch to our upstairs sleeping area and tried it out for a few nights. Felt like we were sleeping/camping in the woods. I’m not at all against tech just safe stuff. I was actually an early adopter in the early '90’s. Things like Oura Rings are great because you can turn off bluetooth while wearing and it still collects data until you upload once a day (or whenever) while it’s off you finger.

The truth is, none of this tech has ever been tested biologically. The FCC admited this in court. There’s piles of info from credible research scientists around the world but no one wants to really know about it. I appreciate Bob being so honest about what’s truth and what’s marketing in his opinions on PEMF.

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#44

Have you tried sleeping on a grounding mat? I feel like it really helps me sleep deep - like when I was a kid. We also turn off wifi at night. Have you tried EMF blocking clothing company’s products (for when you are not at home) ? https://getlambs.com/ Their stuff is pricey and I haven’t tried it yet.

#45

Yes, I’ve tried/owned a couple of grounding mats and they made me feel much worse even the heavily grounded one. Building Biologists who measure body voltage in people find it’s hit or miss. One thing they caution is to not have any tech on or around you when using.

I tried body blocking clothing early on but unless you completely faraday cage yourself like a mummy, the waves hit your body somewhere and defeats the purpose. I think it’s good marketing though because it seems like it would be helpful.

#46

I think that gives back my experience. Also grounding mats can capture / enhance bad electricity. You have to ground deep into the soil with an extra wire. Electrical wiring should be switched of in the room, below at the sides of the bed and above it.

We have automatic kill switches for the whole house. NO wireless whatsoever, frequency-filter for the main power line and some extras…

Best,
hans

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#47

Which intensity was used? and I assume the internal coil was used?

#48

Hans, you’re an EE right? It’s hard to find like-minded EE’s in the US who’ve gone to our extremes.

At my most sensitive, I had a person who’s proficient at dousing come out and put copper rods in the ground and show me how to do it. It’s amazing how well I slept that night. But as we know, your body gets used to it’s new environment/energy and I never had that profound of an affect again. We have filters on main A/B panel too. Also I found your blog/reviews helpful and used your code yesterday to order a C5. :wink:

#49

“Ex-” EE & IT & programmer / architect & electronics.This all gives me some background to understand some things and a pragmatic capability to approach new topics and “learn”. Here is a good & friendly place to learn. And seeing health through the lens of an EE guy, who has a concept of an “electron” helped me a lot. Most MD’s do not understand that little thing, which is so important in biology :upside_down_face:

And yes, 1-time effects and habituation are often experienced here, too.

And thanks for the “extremes” - I take that as a compliment! :man_mechanic:

#50

Yes please do - it is an extreme compliment.

So with ICES/PEMF, it’s important to change up frequencies/protocols too? Using mostly for immune deficiency/dyregulation issues.

#51

I think das Omni and B5/C5 protect very good against habituation. That is what I have concluded from what @Bob wrote here and what other write here. Nevertheless, changing Protocols, like B5/C5 against Omni, may be helpfull.

Sometimes it seems its not about the protocols but about the impulses in general. Bob did some germination experiments (studies) which are quite insightful, also why there is no “one size fits all”.

#52

Internal coil, intensity 15, mu protocol, two minutes.

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#53

Wanted to share my experience with using the Model M for sleep. For the past 10 days I have put 2 coils on my belly (one on each side of my belly button about 2" away - but varies) for about an hour just before bed. I use the B5-C5 cycle, 13 intensity, and just go about my evening. (I’m not an experienced user, I bought the Model M for my son to aid his recovery from ACL/Meniscus surgery - which it did - but these were his settings and I just used them.).

My sleep has dramatically improved.

I use an Oura to track my sleep, and prior to doing this I was having terrible insomnia, and regularly getting sleep scores in the 60s/70s. Since starting to use the Model M I have been getting consistent scores in the 90s.

90s. This is a game changer for my life.

I’m so grateful for this device and it’s powerful impact.

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#54

How cool! So about 2" away from the belly button, or 2" away from each other?

#55

I have been using the xpulser since December to great success. I had the opportunity to try one at my workplace for a month before buying it and saw big improvements right away. My ability to both fall asleep as well as stay asleep have improved. When I do wake up, I can generally fall back to sleep almost immediately.
With that said, my father also tried to the device and he did not notice any change.
I do also use a higher intensity PEMF (Pulse XL) at work 5 days a week, so I am not sure if that baseline helps the efficacy of the xpulser, but either way, it works well enough for me to recommend it.