Excellent!
With he back legs, there are some adjunct therapies you could do. Low Level Laser is one. There is a vet place on-line which sells them. I used that when my dog stopped wanting to jump in the car and it worked. That was before I got the ICES.
Acupuncture has helped paralyzed dogs.
Thanks @bettereverday. I will try my 54w 850nm bulb on his hind legs and see if it helps. For now, we are strapping the ICES M1, power 5, omni 8, and he has it on at least when he sleeps. He is much more mobile now and is wiggling out of his M1 strap during the day - a great thing to see him up and about.
I have only recently joined this forum and noticed this post. I have used PEMT devices on my dogs for the passed 7 years. I saw my elderly dog who was stiffening up move and jump around like a puppy again after just 4 sessions. After that I started using the device myself and even bought a second. Since then the PEMT device is something I use for pretty much all that ails my dogs. Recovery from surgery was faster, the need for anti inflammatories is reduced. Dogs seem to respond really quickly to PEMT. The reason I came on today though is that my male Rottweiler has torn his ACL. He can’t undergo surgery as he has a heart condition so I really need to try and stablise the leg as best we can. He’s a big heavy boy even though he is lean so its going to be hard. Anyway as per usual I have been using my PEMT on him but he limps worse after a treatment -I have never known this with any of my other dogs… Maybe the heat generated is not helping and I need to ice the leg afterwards or I just need to do shorter sessions…? I was wondering if it might take fluid away from the area? Any idea why this might be? Many thanks for any suggestions… I hate to see him uncomfortable. He is raw fed with a range of supplements and on 4cyte (the dogs eat better than we do!).
This happens sometimes when swelling is helping to stabilize an orthopedic injury. It may heal faster, but then the trade-off is that you need to do more to stabilize it during recovery.
Thanks for your reply Bob… That’s good to know… I do have a brace for him so I guess I will need to use that more. I do find my dogs respond quickly and have great outcomes using PEMT as do we… from repairing fractures to muscle strains.
So, if you decide to try to use this strategy (continue to use ICES-PEMF and stabilize the joint), it would be very helpful if you could report back to this forum with the long-term results. Currently, my impression from limited anecdotal data is that the loss of joint stability is temporary because healing is accelerated with PEMF, and over time you get both better joint stability and faster healing with PEMF. But the more feedback we get on this topic, the better.
OK will do Bob… It will be a challenge to stablise Hugo’s stifle joint sufficiently but since surgery isn’t an option we have to give it our best shot. In small dogs (<10kg), fibroplasia or scar tissue is usually sufficient to stabilise the joint. Hugo is not a small dog so I don’t expect conservative management to be quite as successful and some arthritis is inevitable. The longer the knee is unstable the more likelihood of meniscal (cartilage) damage or injury to the other knee so using ICES-PEMF to speed up healing gives us the best shot at a good outcome for him.
Just a quick update. Well Hugo is gradually improving his stifle stability… his stride is lengthening and I can feel the build up of tissue on the inside of his leg supporting the joint. It is still very easy for him to damage the joint at this stage which sets him back a few days, I increase the PEMF treatments when that happens but we are swimming him now and having some muscle return to the area will help. For a large heavy dog he’s doing well…
Excellent, thanks for the update. I think it is important for people to know that in general we are talking about accelerated healing rate, not a magical instant cure, and I think this is exactly what you are seeing.
An update on Hugo the male Rottweiler 55kg with totally ruptured ACL. It has been over 7 months now since his injury and the leg has stabilized. Our vet is pretty amazed given his size and weight. He is a very active dog too. He has built up a lot of tissue on the inside of the knee but it seems to be doing the job. I used conservative management, PEMT and supplements such as 4cyte, raw diet. He motors around like the knee isn’t troubling him, using it equally with the other and favoring it as the support leg when urinating so it must be comfortable. Although I am still trying to limit his activity he has managed to jump small walls and onto sofas (he is a very active dog) and the leg has held up. If he lays on it when he first gets up he does still limp a bit until he gets it moving whether that will settle or that’s the way it will be I am not sure but so far amazingly good. 
That is great! Thanks for the update. I think with continued management you will see steady improvement, which even if it i slow it is always way better than progressive degeneration.
Thanks for your reply Bob, continuing steady improvement would be awesome. Of course with animals the challenge is when they feel well they are more active and he can be a crazy doofus so the hardest part has been trying to keep him calm. He was hurtling around this morning, twisting, jumping and play bowing with me trying to catch him but his knee seems to have held up
same with humans: many people have told me “gee, I felt so much better that I promptly went out and hurt myself again.”
Happy to report that veterinarians seem to be getting on board (where I live, it seems vets have actually taken to PEMF far more enthusiastically than MDs…I imagine this has a lot to do with the ways that MDs are educated and how their education relates to pharmaceutical interests…but I digress!).
Our (holistic) vet suggested PEMF for our cats’ asthma/gut issues, and it was only through her suggestion that I began to look into PEMF. I’ve just ordered the M1 to use on myself, family, and cats, and will be sure to report back
Not to sound like a complete weirdo, but I can’t help but wonder if PEMF has reached some of the folks experimenting (informally, aka at home) with device-assisted communication devices for their cats/dogs (e.g, https://www.hungerforwords.com/ or https://fluent.pet/ – the latter of which is also doing crowd-sourced research). Two of the founders’ dogs-- Stella and Bunny–are using upwards of 50 word-buttons to make context-specific, compound sentences (including informing their humans’ that their ear hurts, thereby alerting them to a new ear infection).
Perhaps this is just the nerdy anthropologist in me, but I think it would be really interesting to hear what these dogs have to “say” --via these buttons–after using a the M1, for instance. Like kids, I imagine many dogs aren’t blinded by societal mores about what “makes sense” or “doesn’t make sense” so I’m willing to bet they might have something interesting to share (and bet their humans’ would be able to provide more elaborate feedback, too). They might also be able to provide feedback that could help inform the use of PEMF with pets who are less fluent in English
If no one has yet shared the idea with the fluent pet/hunger for words crew, I’ll definitely pass the thought along and see what they think. If nothing else, maybe the dogs can enjoy a bit of inflammation relief
That would be very interesting to know. I have had an interest in that area of research (formal and informal) for a long time. Definitely please pass it on to them. In particular, I would like to know if they can express discomfort/pain, and relief from pain.
Wow! This is fascinating. I put a hold on my library’s copy of “How Stella Learned To Talk”
Thanks for posting this!
Jumping in to hopefully revive this thread. I’m passionate about animals and the role we have as guardians and advocates specifically when they are silently suffering.
Anyone have new info to share regarding any topics touched on in this thread?
I’m so happy to know about this forum!!!
I am very interested in using my m1 for my cat who has IBD (digestive issues) I have been using it for kidney - and it probably would impact the digestive system as well. I just saw this device perf loop - https://assisi.zomedica.com/Products/loop/ is this similar to the impact of M1- something new here?
It’s a totally different core technology. I do not know how well the Assisi system actually works, sorry.
