Thank you very much for the reply Bob. I will continue treatment as suggested.
Until you try it, this will sound like a “soft” answer. But it is really true:
Everyone responds a bit differently, so you should experiment a bit with the intensity, coil placement, and pulse pattern. Do each for a day or two at least. When people actually do this, they typically notice that one of their strategies in particular seems to feel better (hard to explain), and it usually works better for them individually. Exactly what this is will vary from person to person, but most people find what is best for them for any particular injury in about 4 or 5 attempts.
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Thank you very much. It is very helpful to know that I am guessing and trialing as much as I should be and that I am not missing out on any pertinent info to help speed things along. Thanks again.
Thanks so much Bob and Bethel, for your great questions and insights. I wanted to share one particular study that did use multiple ingredients, and might be of interested to people who need radiological imaging, and want to minimize possible DNA damage. It’s an antioxidant “cocktail” that was studied at Mt Sinai Hospital. See: https://car.ca/uploads/Education%20Lifelong%20Learning/Meetings/ASM2013_Speakers_Pres/EE005_Oral_Antioxidants_for_Radioprotection_in_Medical_Imaging_Exams.pdf
On a different topic, Bob, is there any issue using the C5 on the head? We’ve used the A9a following head injury (was exceedingly helpful), and near the eyes for mild glaucoma (benefit hard to tell, however glaucoma quite stable last couple years). thanks again.
I own the C5 and the M1 and have used both on my head without issue. In other posts Bob explains that C5 is basically 4 M1s synchronized.
TajD is correct: the C5 is exactly the same as four M1’s, but they are also synchronized (all pulses start at the same instant for all 4 channels, and all are at the same pulse rate). So, a C5 is really no different from an M1 except that:
-C5 gives the convenience and flexibility of four output channels
-The M1 battery is very small (DLI88 camcorder), so it can not output a large amount of electrical current for heavy electrical loads, such as a 2x2 coil array. Power to the C5 does not have this current output limit, so it can easily handle 2x2 coil arrays.
Hi BethEL,
In case you havn’t seen it yet, have a read of the protocol that I’ve been using on my fractures here.
Thanks to the contributors in this thread as there is a lot of interesting information 
All the best with your situation and have an amazing day!
Denis
Just wanted to share my experience in case it might help someone else to recover.
(I also posted this same reply under a similar nonunion discussion thread.)
My 6-month-old nonunion distal fibula fracture healed after using the M1 PEMF machine, however, this was not the only healing modality I utilized. I also used the physician prescribed ultrasound bone stimulation healing device (Exogen) and started thyroid replacement hormone prescription medication (T3 only, low dose). Because of the multiple variables, it is not possible to say which treatment provided the most healing and I wish I could say that I noticed the PEMF as most effective, but in my mind, it was the thyroid replacement hormone that did the trick. I say this because the x-rays showed only about a 15% healing 5 weeks after starting the PEMF and 4 weeks after starting the ultrasound treatment. The healing showed on the next x-ray, 4 weeks later, jumped to about 75% healed after adding thyroid replacement 4 weeks prior. Hypothyroidism can be a contributing factor of nonunion or delayed fractures. Maybe all 3 of these treatments together gave me the quick response. All I know, is that after 1 year of immobility, I am very grateful to be able to walk unassisted and with minimal pain.
I used the M1 Omni 8 setting med intensity for 1 to 6 hours per day - probably averaged 2 to 3 hours per day. Ultrasound only required 20 minutes once per day - I used it 2 to 3 times per day for first 4 weeks and then only 1 to 2 times per day after.
Timeline summary — M1 PEMF started 10/31/20 – ultrasound started 11/6/20. X-ray 12/4/20 showed 15% healed. Added thyroid T3 RX 12/12/20. X-ray 1/8/21 showed 75% healed. Continued all 3 treatments. X-ray 2/5/21 showed 90% healed. X-ray 3/5/21 showed 99% healed.
This is very helpful, thanks. I am of the opinion that it takes several factors to promote healing, for example:
- Adequate nutrition
- Reduced pathologic inflammation
- Adequate other stimuli for the tissues in question, such as mechanical loading
- Replete endogenous signals such as hormones, etc.
In my opinion, anyone who sells a gadget (IR, PEMF, ultrasound, microcurrent, whatever…) and claims that it will cure everything by itself, they are just lying to you.
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Agree with Bob’s comments!
I have a question about the Micro-Pulse waveform. I fractured four metatarsal bones 31 Dec 2021 and began using both the A9b and C-5 on 25 January 2022 (I didn’t have access to the devices before then).
The foot inflammation responded quickly and favorably (pain was never an issue), however, the bone mending did not. After three sets of X-rays, one MRI imaging session and three osteopedic foot specialists/surgeons, the injury is now considered “delayed union” and a prescription for the Exogen ultrasound device was provided which I started 10 days ago.
i have used the A9b / C-5 AT LEAST 12 hours per day since January - the portable unit tugs away nicely in the walking cast/boot with two coils taped together (rippled side up) and placed adjacently (in a figure 8) on top of the sock across the injuries. I replace the high quality rechargeable 9V batteries every two hours or so during the day.
Despite this PEMF effort, I’m now in an undesirable situation. I really want the technology to work and wish I could give a glorious testimonial. I’ve posted elsewhere in this forum the intense nutritional supplementation that I do. I also consume bone broth with added sea minerals daily with copious amounts of bioavailable bovine collagen etc.
So… it makes me wonder what waveforms my Micro-pulse units put out. Here is a book excerpt which seems to indicate the waveform should be sawtooth in the case of fracture healing. Maybe the Micro-Pulse is not?
“In 1982, working from Columbia University School of Medicine, Dr. Andrew Bassett published a series of four articles on the positive effects of pulsating electromagnetic fields for non-healing bone fracture in three well-known North American medical journals. As a result of Bassett’s work, the FDA approved the sawtooth waveform in 1979 for the treatment of non-union bone fractures and aid in spinal fusion operations.”
Just curious…
I am sure you have checked this, but have you ensured the coils are fully plugged in and have you used the coil tester to confirm they are working? Low NO really hurts healing rate in feet for me. Have you had any peripheral neuropathy in your feet? Are you using red/infrared light on the feet to increase blood flow? I forget if you we discussed that on other threads. Flagging @Bob for your wave form questions.
No peripheral neuropathy that I know of. Circulation good. Bought FIR socks to promote warmer feet and increased circulation. Will start NO. I use a Clearlight FIR dome single person lie-inside sauna which produces enough heat for full blown hyperthermia sessions using internal real time temperature measurement (iCelcius) however I normally use it 2-3 times per week for 30 minutes to get the heart rate up - not to do hyperthermia sessions (fever 40C: tough sessions). I also use the SaunaSpace red IR bulbs and use the single bulb on the injured foot. Not overdoing it, but 30 minutes daily. Thanks for the responses! I think the delayed mending is due to early misdiagnosis - was told to remove boot January since no fractures were seem. Only after the MRI and third opinion were the five stress fractures pointed out. Suffering for six weeks in regular shoes when I had the boot lying around was stupid, but I followed doctors orders.
Thanks TajD for flagging this.
@Steve_Labo, please resist the temptation to get sucked into the vortex of out-dated, misinterpreted, and incomplete PEMF “information” on the Internet, and, please note the year of the publication you reference: 1982
A lot happens in 40 years, for example, we went from the Wright Flyer gliding a few feet over a beach in NC to early jet aircraft 40 years later.
Bassett generally did excellent scientific work, but 40 years ago, PEMF was very mysterious. We have made progress since then. Working as a consultant for NASA-JSC, we put to rest the “waveform” question. About 25 years ago, we actually tested the effect of different waveforms on the effectiveness of PEMF for the induction of growth mechanisms and control of growth and development related gene expression. The results of the NASA-based research on PEMF waveform are summarized here:
https://www.josam.org/josam/article/view/5
Briefly:
Sawtooth waveforms had very little detectable effect, sine waves had none. By far, the most effective waveforms had sharp edges of dB/dt (Gauss slew rate), which were patented by NASA and then later refined and patented by myself.
It is these, the most effective and efficient waveforms are the basis for ICES-PEMF technology, and all pulse protocols in all of our devices employ these waveforms.
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The tri-field meter generally does not have the speed to accurately detect ICES-PEMF pulses, especially the older tri-field models.
Its really important to use our hexagonal coil tester, which is tuned to specifically detect our pulses.
If ICES-PEMF coils show a pulse using our tester, then they are working. Then you need to be sure they are stacked correctly when stacked (bumpy sides together), otherwise bumpy sides away from the skin. For 2x2 arrays, coils can be either side toward the skin (no difference)
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Steve, it seems you are using a combination of full spectrum bulbs and the Clearlight FIR both of which are a nice add to your stack. I am wondering if it would help if you tried concentrated 660-830nm range. I am thinking it may be worth trying this bulb https://www.amazon.com/ABI-Light-Therapy-660nm-Class/dp/B07SH39YT4 8 minutes twice a day shining on your foot, held ~2 inches away from your skin.
I bought a Joovv panel a couple of years ago and sent it back within a month. Too noisy and I didn’t feel I received much from the lights. Then I bought a couple of panels (#1 and #2) from Leanne at https://catalyticcolor.com/redjuvenator-testimonials/
Later I bought another couple of panels from https://gembared.com/
Hands down the best of the four panels is Leanne’s #2. I don’t know what she does different but she does something - and charges accordingly for essentially the same hardware. I also have a couple of handheld Quantum Warp 10 units which are no longer in production. Not sure their wavelength. Likely about 650. Finally I have an Irradia MID clinical laser device with four probes and two fiber optic attachments for ears/ nose etc. The developer in Sweden is one of the original laser researchers and wrote one of the definitive books on laser therapy. The system is for sale. Can’t say it’s any better than the LED devices. Overall I still prefer the broad spectrum sauna space bulbs. Probably the soothing heat I guess.
I also like heat lamps. Lately I’ve been using a pad (red and nir). It too gets warm after a while which I like, and it too works. My body feels lighter after treating several areas. Especially if I forgot the day before.
Hi Steve,
Thank you for getting back to me. Quantum is still servicing the Warp 10 devices. The agreement was for 10 years after production ended. You may want to contact them on the device that needs servicing.
Hope it works out for you.
Thanks Again,
Janet