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#77

Sorry I’ve been missing - trying to do some catch-up here now.
Just wanted to add that from a brain-health perspective, I prefer to have people start with less and only do more of anything if that seems needed.

When I was using ICES coils on people’s heads, I tended to use 4-5 on most people and that gave them a nice response without much in the way of headache or other less-desirable effects. Some people were very sensitive after concussion and needed even less. I didn’t find anyone who needed more. I generally positioned the 2x2 coils, doubled, on each side of the head, hoping the doubling gave more penetration.

On myself, I’ve used the single coils and the 2x2 on my forehead for migraines, set at 3 and found it useful for the headaches and for my aging brain. :wink:

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#78

This is very insightful, thanks. I really do find, at least 8 times out of ten, that less intensity is better when it comes to long-term PEMF benefits.

#79

on the m1 frequency/pattern chart, i see an option for a9 and another for omni 8… if a9 uses omni 8, what is the a9 on the chart?

#80

It is the slightly older original version of the A9 protocol, slightly different mode timing

#81

@Bob, Bob would you have any suggestions for a tube or sleeve I could use to snake the wires through for the ICES coils. This might help extend the life of the coils.

#82

we reinforce the coil cables as well as is possible. We have looked for (and paid quite a lot) to find other methods for coil reinforcement. But none of these turn out to be satisfactory (but they all cost a lot anyway). So far as I know, there is no tube, tape, or other thing that can be added to reinforce them further, or we would already have done so.

The coils can be made to be virtually indestructible, but they would weigh as much as a major appliance, cost as much, and be stiff as a telephone pole. If you take care not to pull too much or too often on the coils, we have basically reached a “design minima” for the cost, where the cost of replacement is less than the extended life adjusted for the cost of reinforcement.

The unfortunate fact is that anything you wear around in close proximity to your body will get a lot of wear and tear.

The best that can be done I think is to tape them up securely with a medical-grade cloth tape, being sure to secure enough of the length of the black vinyl cable to provide a strain relief. But this will not last forever.

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#83

i tried your reinforced ones and they lasted a little longer… have you seen those strain boots they have for network wiring… maybe making a jacket with that might work

just thinking out loud. regardless, I’m still happy we have these devices in the first place👍🏽

#84

yes, the question is: how do you get it on once the coil has been molded. It has been impossible to get good strain reliefs molded directly into the TPR mainly also because the TPR (rubber) does not bond well to the black cable (vinyl). Many engineers/companies have said “that’s easy to fix!”, but none have been able to actually do so on the coils. The plug end is no problem though.

#85

hopefully i can come up with a feasible solution…

oo… I’ve heard of these, but have never tried. do you know anyone who has a 3d printer or has used one for prototyping. i just looked this up in searching for product design when curious about some ideas i had. talk about savings in prototyping products without paying exorbitant fees just to prototype!

#86

It is not clear to me what your question is, but the short answer to what is an ostensibly simple question, but one that actually requires a lot of detailed mechanical engineering insight is:

Unless you REALLY know what you are doing, using a 3D printer to prototype any component for any product that will be produced by any process other than 3D printing is not at all as simple as it would appear. It certainly is possible to do, but unless you have a lot of knowledge and experience with Design for Manufacturing (DFM is a sub-field of mechanical Engineering in which I hold a degree), 3D printing is just a fun toy, or can be used for very short-run (small batch) components, and only with a very limited range of materials, and always produces parts with relatively high-variability dimensions (it is not precise and repeatable, like injection molding), and comparatively low-performance mechanical properties.

Also, in reality, 3D printed components each have a final cost of about $25.00 (no matter what they may claim), compared to about $0.02 for equivalent small, common-plastic, injection molded components, so for any given 3D printed component, in mass production it will cost about 1000X more than an equivalent injection molded component, roughly.

There is a lot of incentive to misrepresent (i.e. “lie”) about this, but that is the simple truth.

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#87

For what it’s worth I’ve had success protecting the connection where the coil meets the wire using a 3 or 4 inch length of foam tape. I thread it halfway through the coil and then bend it down to cover where the wire enters the coil.

Although it doesn’t stick well to the coil rubber, it sticks very well to itself and stiffens the joint. It does stick to the vinyl sheath around the wire.

This is obviously an end user solution, not a manufacturing solution. If you don’t care about pretty it works fine.

#88

we reinforce the coils in a similar way, and it works very well.

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#89

Hi Bob- I just paid for my C5 unit to be repaired, ORDER #11399. What is the address I should mail my unit? The problem is, the probe that the power cord plugs into, broke off inside the power cord. I am not rough with the unit, however, I do use it a lot. Moreover, while you have it, could you please replace 3 of the 4 rubber feet on the bottom of the unit, replace the power cord and look at inner components to see if anything looks loose. Thank you. I would like to get it off to you today. I use this thing a lot and look forward to getting it back. Thanks Bob.

#90

Sure. Any questions relating to price, availability, shipping, returns, warranty repairs, packaging, fulfillment, etc., should always be directed to the contact information located at:

This will always be our most current and updated contact information, which at this precise moment is:

Please email support@micro-pulse.com or call 1-833-627-8573

But you should always check at the indicated web page (not this thread) for the most current contact information for service, etc.

#91

Hi, I wish I had been told this when I purchases the M1 and the 2x2 extra set of coils. So you are saying not just that the battery will run down more quickly but, more importantly, that it cannot supply adequate power to make the coils work effectively, correct? Now that I have them with the M1 is there a work around for this problem. I particularly want to use them on paraspinal muscle areas. Thanks

#92

Generally, when someone calls us and tells us they want to buy the M1 and a 2x2 set of coils (or deep field coils) that triggers a response indicating that this is not a good combination.

The work-around is simply to power the M1 using a mini-USB charging cable (not micro-USB, it must be mini-USB). You need to use a charging port, not a computer USB. A charging port plus USB-Mini-B cable will supply adequate power.

This makes the M1 not a portable device since it will need to be plugged in to the USB charger port, but the 2x2 coil array is also not intended for portability.

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#93

Thanks very much for your quick response. The woman I spoke with (twice I think) did not say anything about it not being a good combo.

Regarding the mini-usb charging cable, can this be used with an Iphone charger. Not sure I follow micro vs mini.

Thanks,

David

#94

Hi David,

I am not sure about iPhone chargers, but it is best not to experiment with that too much unless you really know what you are doing.

The “micro” and “mini” are different sizes and shapes. Here is what you need:

I hope this is helpful

#95

Many have complained of a loss of sense of smell and/or taste son e C-19. Any recommendations on ICES application to improve and neutralize this issue? Settings, intensity, etc

#96

I have zero information on this at this time, but you could try just directly applying coils to the face near the special senses of taste and smell.