Hi
I have been experiencing hip pain for the past year or so and when it wasn’t improving I finally had an ultrasound a few months ago which showed hip bursitis and gluteal tendinopathy. I purchased an M1 recently and have been using it pretty consistenly (most of the day on most days) for the past 6 weeks - mainly Omni 8 level 9 intensity (default setting) and have rotated between stacked coils and side-by-side. I haven’t had any improvement and in the past week have also tried lower and higher intensities but still no difference - the past few days have been worse than ever…
I am wondering if it is worth continuing and if I should try a different program or intensity? @Bob I read in one of your posts that you have found hip pain doesn’t always respond which I was disappointed to hear as I was reallly hoping this would help. It would be great to hear your thoughts on whether it is worth continuing and if I should try anything different to what I have been doing.
Thanks for any advice you have
Hi @dkm
My experience with hip degeneration and ICES-PEMF use was:
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The A9 on my right hip (using the original stimulus protocol “A9”, not “Omni-8” which had not been invented yet) worked well IMO. It took a few months of daily use, but it eventually eliminated the sharp pain in my right hip, which remained pain free for about 10 more years after that. Based on digital X-rays, my right hip had experienced cartilage thinning to the point where I had bone-on-bone contact at the top point of the hip articulation.
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Nearly a decade later, my left hip started to have the same pain and joint failure problems. Digital X-rays indicated the same extent of wear on my left hip, essentially a mirror image of my right hip from years ago. I tried a lot of different coil placements and intensity levels, this time using Omni-8 (not the original “A9” pulse pattern). By the way, out of desperation, after a few months I made a mega-powerful ICES-PEMF coil and pulse generator. The coil was about the size of a small bicycle tire, large enough to fit around my leg. If it turned out that ultra-mega-super-high intensity worked better than the ultra-low power ICES-PEMF I had been using, I would have admitted it, changed my opinion, and posted it publicly. But higher power made the situation somewhat worse, so I stopped it after a week or so. I felt that I had verified my original opinion that “too much is too much”. Either way, ICES-PEMF did not seem to help my left much after 4 or 5 months of daily use, and eventually I ended up having my left hip joint replaced. Meanwhile my right hip joint, the one that had started hurting nearly a decade prior, with visibly more damage at the articulating surface, was doing just fine with no pain.
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A few more years passed, and my right hip started to hurt again. I applied ICES-PEMF (Omni-8) using a model A9 pulse generator. I did this again for several months, but there was steady worsening this time, so eventually I also had to have my right hip joint replaced.
My conclusions based on my personal experience:
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Injuries can respond to ICES-PEMF very differently, even within the same person for ostensibly similar or identical injuries. Looking at my digital X-rays I would have thought both of my hips had nearly identical wear patterns, just at different rates (right hip degeneration sooner than left hip by a few years). But initially my right hip responded well to ICES-PEMF, and I was able to get about an additional decade of use from my right hip before needing surgery, however, ICES-PEMF did not work so well on my left hip. And then eventually it did not work so well on my right hip either about a decade later.
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If ICES-PEMF is going to work for a major joint injury (such as the hip), it may take months of daily use, and it may work or it may not.
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If ICES-PEMF works, it may work only the first time you try, the beneficial affects may not be “forever”, and it may or may not work the second time you use it for exactly the same injury.
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Too much is too much. So far as intensity is concerned, definitely, too much is too much.
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For hip joint degeneration (maybe also for other joints??), pulse pattern may be more important than I had realized. In my case, the original “A9” pulse pattern worked when I tried it one time, whereas Onmi-8 did not work well either of the two times I tried it. Using the model M1 or C5, you can simply change the pulse pattern to the original “A9”, but you do not have this option when using the newer model A9, which is programmed with the Imni-8 because that pulse pattern (based on field testing) seems to work slightly better for most people and for most types of injuries.
So, my results were mixed. Would I try it again? YES. I would try various different approaches, learn what I can, share my results and observations, and have modest expectations.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience @Bob - much appreciated. You mentioned it took months of daily use for your initial improvement on R hip, so sounds like it is worth perservering with for longer.
And just to clarify - you suggest I trial the A9 protocol rather than Omni 8, to see if this works better? Would you still start wtih power at level 9 and if not seeing an effect then go lower rather than higher with power?
Thanks again and I will definately report back with outcomes.
p.s. do you have any thoughts on whether stacked or side-by-side coils are likely to be better, or should I just continue to experiment with both?
I would go ahead and experiment with A9 protocol, and in general I think stacked coils work better.
I also experienced hip pain. I had a hip replacement in June of 24. After the surgery, I used the C5 on Omni 8 setting faithfully for at least 6 weeks. I was in AGONY! The surgeon kept telling me everything looked good on x-ray, so I must be having nerve inflammation. It was so bad they figured it must be from an old back injury, so i had an MRI and was planning a back fusion. The pain from my hip radiated into my low back and all the way down my leg. I was in such pain I stopped using the C5. Remarkably, the pain began to subside. I canceled my back surgery. After 5 months and lots of PT, I figured I’d try the C5 on my hip again. I used it for 20 minutes on the omni 8 setting and was once again in in the same pain as before, but to a lesser degree. My hip, back, and leg were all in pain. I would not, under any circumstances, be willing to try pemf for my hip again.
Just my experience. Hopefully yours is better.
That’s interesting to know Iris and thanks for sharing.
A few years back I started developing hip pain and it became pretty unbearable last year. That was when I resorted to using my PEMF-ICES M1. After several weeks of no improvement, that was when I asked @bob and discovered to my dismay that it didn’t work for his left hip, but I figured there might still be a chance since it helped with his right hip.
At the time, I was in agony so of course would resort to anything available. I alternated between chi-energy healing, YSD alternative health modality and the M1 pretty much 10-18 hours a day.
After about six months found noticeable improvement when a friend opened my chakras. At first a rush of pain from hip moving down my leg, and then after several treatments, the pain decreased significantly, until about a year later, I no longer wear the m1. I still get the pain occasionally, but only for brief seconds and nowhere at the intensity it was before.
I don’t know if it was due to the M1, YSD, the energy healing or a combination of things, but it is much improved. I would like to say it’s the combination, since the M1 didn’t do anything for me until I added the energy healing. Whereas before on a scale of 1-10, it was a 9 or 10, and now, less than 1! On the other hand, I now have another burning pain on my right foot that hurts when I put my weight on it, and no amount of YSD or energy healing have been able to do anything for me beyond temporarily stopping the pain for half an hour at the most.
I was initially diagnosed with extensive nerve damage that led to chronic pain in all four limbs, but recent MRI confirmed the original nerve damage was no longer there. I’ve since been diagnosed with fibromyalgia.
From my understanding M1 cannot treat fibromyalgia because the pain is not local; it can migrate to any part of the body in varying degrees of intensity. Plus you might describe the pain as “false pain” as the brain misinterprets sensations as “pain.” Since this pain is not really regional, it stands to reason the M1 wouldn’t be able to treat it.
Depression and anxiety are also typical symptoms of fibromyalgia and I have both. I have read here a number of people successfully treating their moods with the M1, so I have tried the M1 for that as well, the coils first on the left frontal lobe and more recently with the right usually at night as I sleep. The depression lifts when applied, but if I miss a night, I can feel it come back. It’s been a few years now, and I cannot miss using the M1 on my head!
But I digress — when chained to the M1, would I continue my treatment given these conditions? I am constantly researching modalities of treatment to better my health, and until I can find something better, I will continue to use the M1 and especially in combination with others. I consider myself blessed that I have so many ways of methods/ healing modalities at my disposal, considering the complexity of my health problems, and I am very grateful to Bob for the M1.
Thanks so much for sharing. A modality that you may want to consider for fibromylagia that has also helped my family with other conditions (including other autoimmune conditions as well as peripheral neuropathy) is high dose autologous IV PRP. Trudose PRP is the name of the treatment and you can search for it under that name and find a list of providers.
Hmm. Thanks for the suggestion, but even if I could get it approved by my doctor for such a controversial treatment in Canada, my financial position is very unstable right now and treatments such as these are pretty pricey over here.