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Depression

Has anyone found suitable coil placement and program settings for helping adverse emotional states such as depression with the M1.
Thank you

Vagus Nerve is one coil placement which is stimulated in studies. Look at Google images to see where they place the electrodes for it.

The Vagus Nerve is part of the gut / brain connection. Note, you might have to eat organic vegetables and get enough fiber to help your gut bacteria. Serotonin is produced in the gut. If you have digestive issues, you need to deal with your gut. I will say it again. Eat organic. RoundUp is an antibiotic and kills the good bacteria. Here is a short video on the vagus nerve being the connection.

I did use it, both on the vagus nerve and on TMS settings based on PubMed. I will try to review which settings I used. I know that the TMS placement and power mattered more than the Vagus Nerve.

I really have to look at the studies, but the Vagus Nerve is a promising one.

If you scroll down to establishing a treatment plan of this one, it gives left prefrontal cortex TMS high frequency 5 days per week for 4 to 6 weeks. That is what professionals used as of this study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5612370/

Again, you can look at Google Images and see where the left prefrontal cortex is and you can even see images of people receiving TMS.

It is more complicated than this because TMS was studied on several locations, but that location is a standard one. Daily TMS has a 30 to 40% remission rate.

Okay, I found it. This one is information I used. I realized that I did this one:

What I will tell you is that Dr. Ornish did a dietary study on depression and had a much, much higher remission rate than TMS. I say that because they believe depression is related to inflammation and an anti-inflammatory diet is so important as an adjunct with ICES for that. Dr. Greger has some easy to watch videos on how just increasing the number of servings of vegetables to closer to 10 servings per day is so effective at treating depression. The TMS and Vagus Nerve stimulation will help for sure, but diet is too important for this topic. If you have inflammation or blood sugar issues or hormonal issues, please deal with those.

I am speaking from someone who used to be suicidal and I know now that my hormones were off and my blood sugar was off and my homocysteine was off and I had inflammation, but I thought of it all from a psych paradigm and nowadays, I would start with nutrition and electromedicine.

If it posts, here is a TED Talk called “The Surprisingly Dramatic Role of Nutrition in Mental Health” It is so dramatic.

A Whole Food Plant Based diet can cut C-reactive protein levels by 30% in 2 weeks. Other diets can also help, but lowering inflammation is a main goal. The ICES does help with that.

I am laughing. Sorry that I added so much.

Some of us used to be suicidal and take depression so seriously as a topic.

ICES is low frequency so the TMS setting at the right frontal cortex and a continuous setting (I chose 5pps) at the Vagus Nerve is what I did.

I did low power for the Vagus Nerve and a higher power for the TMS, but I really was guessing that part.

I just was reading that there is a correlation between depression and hypertension and that the two share a common pathway. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3716493/

PEMF helps with resting blood pressure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23675619

Going back to diet.

Pritikin diet which is a type of Whole Food Plant Based diet. (I think it is 5% animal products, but I looked at it a few years ago) That diet has had 3 studies with it for hypertension and the third study found that for many people blood pressure meds often have to be lowered in 3 days. The other studies didn’t try to lower the meds then, but said that most people need them lowered within 3 weeks.

Hey @bettereveryday Where do you place the coils for vegas nerve and prefontal cortex stimulation? and what coil configuration do you use?

WIM HOF METHOD - this will give you immediate calm, peace and euphoria… has already helped many with depression. no hype… i have been doing for 10 days so far. this is my day 1 log… this is as real as dr. Bob’s ices tech… love it! i have only done the breathing part. YouTube for more reviews and testimonials… my 3rd grader and highschooler do this with me and have similar benefits :+1:t3:

DAY1: (started - 1045a)
didn’t get much sleep the night before and was already feeling groggy by midmorning. i wanted to skip coffee, so i could get better sleep at night - even if i drink early in the morning, it messes w/my sleep pattern at night… i was so tired that i was ready to take a nap.

instead, i found a quick youtube video that guides you thru 3 cycles of the wim hof breathing technique.

symptoms experienced during the exercise:

  • face/head buzzing/tingling;
  • ringing in ears;
  • yawning;
  • able to hold my breath for about 2.5mins (prolly longer if the video didn’t continue to do breathing technique

and finally… after the exercise:

  • peaceful sense of calm
  • energetic
  • alert

THIS was the video i followed along with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jAjpZz-5Y

next time I’ll check my pulse… coulda sworn it was lower, but then, that could’ve been from the last few weeks of running.

still feel good and not sleepy anymore…makes sense as i have more o2 in my body now. .

I’d recommend you try it… it’s easy to do and you get results within minutes! I look forward to doing at least 30 days of this straight!

WHAT IS WIM HOF METHOD?

Advantages of the Wim Hof Method breathing exercises
The exercises are focused on deep and rhythmic inhalations and exhalations, described by Wim as ‘controlled hyperventilation or power breathing’ and are followed by a retention time, where you hold your breath for a x amount of time.

source: Wim Hof Method › breathing-exerc…
The Benefits of Breathing Exercises | Wim Hof Method

Hey Jesse,

For vagal nerve stimulation, there are a few places you can stimulate. I mostly did the spot the professionals put the leads in.

I tried to find a site that showed a picture.

I would have to look up the prefrontal cortex one again. I used studies on PubMed and then went to Google images and found ones from professionals.

I say that because they studied many different topics regarding the prefrontal cortex and I didn’t just read PEMF and those topics, I read TMS and Direct Current and looked at images of where they put the probes.

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Okay, here is an example of a resource I looked at for coil placement for the prefrontal cortex.

For that, I did side by side on the left prefrontal cortex. From what I remember there was a different logic for the left versus right prefrontal cortex, and I recommend looking that up on PubMed. But the professionals were using the left prefrontal cortex for depression and in that particular left versus right part of the brain, it seemed better to listen to the experts.

I have done other parts of the brain, but I do think with the brain it is best to know what the different parts of the brain do before just experimenting. That is my opinion and I do know that other people have just stimulated every part of the brain, but I have seen some strange studies. Not involving PEMF, but there are parts of the brain that can get brainwashed, for instance. They have used magnet on people’s brain to change their belief systems and all sorts of odd studies.

I haven’t had brain problems in a long time. I no longer seem to have depression. I did have a little bit of panic that there hasn’t been toilet paper at any of the stores around here for weeks, but that is different than what I used to have.

I no longer have hallucinations or night terrors or panic attacks or depression. No suicidal thoughts.

I didn’t just use the ICES, but I value it.

I just can’t say for sure how much was the ICES and how much was nutrition and how much was starting to get sleep after a decade without sleep.

It all seems to work together.

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