My best guess based on the practitioners I know: they have to stay below-the-radar with the full scope of what they offer.
Another possible option: they want people to seek them for comprehensive treatment, but not just to pick and choose individual treatments they are looking for. Most of the responsible clinicians I know use PEMF and most other modalities as part of a more comprehensive approach.
thanks for sharing. This forum is open to talking about other pemf devices etc, so would you care to share more from layman view about these physics based tests, maybe some results that surprised you, and what pemf strap and mat was used or recommended?
After visiting the ,"M clinic " I changed my focus from the science of the “omics” to expanding my physics knowledge and how physics based medicine , specifically PEMF could be used in my treatment.
I wish that I had studied engineering and physics in addition to pharmacy.
After researching the field for several months , I realized that spending $6000 on a mat when the technology was so old, was not the best utilization of scarce resources. I was familiar with Moore’s law.
I came across your videos on Youtube and was impressed with your qualifications, background and most of all your honesty and sincerity. The M1 device, proved to be the most useful intervention in years, so I bought a C5 machine.
Thank-you to you, your wife and Dr. T, for making this technology available to people like myself , especially to your wife for answering all my questions so well and for your participation at this forum. I look forward to learning much more about this incredible technology and how it can benefit people with various chronic conditions.
PEMF ICES has helped me improve in so many ways.
I am very interested to see how my mostly “subjective” improvements, measure against
,“Objective test” improvements and if they can be replicated in others with similar success.
Bob, could PEMF potentially help increase the cells voltage(ability to pull in liquids) ?
Secondly have you heard of people uaing PEMF improving their Phase Angle scores ?
I’ll answer each question separately.
1 - PEMF increase cell voltage? Short answer: Maybe indirectly by improving cell function. My impression is that the discussions of “cell voltage” are based on a lot of fraudulent and pseudo-scientific claims made by electro-medicine charlatans. The physiology is way more nuanced than any statements such as “more voltage = more health”, and cells do not really act like batteries in the way frequently described in this context.
This is all very, very complex, but briefly: a living cell has active transport mechanisms and complex, multi-layered mechanisms to regulate trans-membrane potential. Too much trans-membrane potential can be as damaging as not enough. A sick cell may have inhibited trans-membrane potential, and if “something” fixes that basic problem, then that same “something” would indirectly also be increasing the trans-membrane potential back to normal levels. This is what I mean by “maybe, indirectly”. If PEMF corrects some problem, then normal electro-physiology may also be restored as a consequence.
But in my technical opinion, PEMF does not “charge” cells like a battery as people sometimes claim. All that is required is that PEMF restore normal function, and the rest takes care of itself.
2- Phase angle scores improved by PEMF? Short answer: I speculate probably YES, but no one has specifically told me they have seen this effect. I use a very precise technical definition of “phase angle” that is the same as used by electrical engineers and physicists. I think some people may be using this term incorrectly, but applied correctly I believe it refers to bioelectrical impedance, in which the phase angle results from a change in the electrical reactance (also a well-defined electrical physics term), which is measured by applying a sine wave across the tissue, and measuring the resulting phase shift in the sine wave. I am not an expert on this topic, but evidently the phase shift is influenced by several biological factors related to gender and age and ill-health (mostly hydration as I understand it), so it is a real quantity that can be measured. Once again, I am not an expert, but I would speculate that, if PEMF somehow restores a state of normal function to cells and tissues, that these “biological factors” that cause phase angle changes normally attributed to age and ill-health may be corrected, and thus the resulting phase angle may be improved.
The effect may be indirect, for example: PEMF may do something to correct a problem. We do not know much about the direct mechanisms of PEMF, so for the moment let’s assume this is unknown. But let’s further assume it results in improved function at the cellular level. This in turn may improve the ability of tissues to be hydrated. This may simply be because of a change in the state of inflammation, or some other mechanism. Improved hydration leads to a change on phase angle. So, the effect of PEMF on phase angle would be indirect, but important.
Like I say, I am not an expert on bioelectrical impedance analysis, but this is interesting enough to me that I will look into it more. It may be an important biomarker of the effects of PEMF on living systems. Thanks.
Thank-you for your answer Bob.
I need to have another Phase angle test done.
Similarly I am interested to see if I incidentally might have improved my results on the GDV test and Viome(micro-gut bacteria at the strain level) tests.
My general thought on this is that PEMF acts through mechanisms broadly related to general health and cellular function. When these are improved, almost every specific assessment of health will improve.
In my opinion, it is sort of like eating the right amounts of really healthy food. What gets better? Well, probably everything.
Hi Prometheus, I will answer each question separately in reverse order.
The Bemer system was used. It is allegedly used in thousands of medical offices worldwide, and has over 1 million users and claims to have allot of ,"research " behind it. I rented a Bemer mat for 2 weeks and felt incredible. My energy levels seem to increase and my moods as well. My sleep also seem to improve. I was also dogsitting a sick dog with spinal stenosis, who seemed to show improvement.
I never had access to the light, which people claim might make your skin look younger. It is a cool gadget that comes with special glasses to protect the eyes.
Had money been no concern, I would have bought one.
They are relatively much easier to use than an M1 or C5 and do provide allot of support.
Several credible doctors view the Bemer as a safe and slow way for patients to treat many chronic conditions.
The Bemer videos do show what seems to be a credible and significant increase in micro-vascular blood flow. (Basically blood flow in the very small veins that bring oxygen and nutrients to much of the body).
Increasing Oxygen flow as you have stated in a different post, is potentially very beneficial in many conditions.
They also claim to increase Nitric Oxide. Basically a very useful chemical that can amongst many things help with ,“erections”.(like viagra)
The Bemer system comes with many bells and whistles and built in protections and protocols to prevent people from hurting themselves.
Typically your average patient is not a biohacker, and listens blindly to what Dr’s tell them.
I prefer the M1 PEMF-ICES over the Bemer, both from a technologically and cost perspective. While the Bemer company has done allot to promote PEMF, their goal of having a mat in every household might not be realistic.
If the Bemer mat had cost $1000, then its fully body mat with strap and cool light application might be worthwhile.
Technology doubles according to a man called Moore, every 18 months or 2 years.
During this time the cost to produce that technology decreases by half.
If that were true, I reasoned why has that mat increased in price?
If you want to know more about the Bemer please ask, I spent months researching it.
Regarding the Phase angle test and the GDV or gas discharge Visualization test, both are done quickly without pain and results are received very quickly.
For GDV, you place each of your hands separately on a machine and to the very skilled and trained reader it produces a picture on a computer screen very quickly. A wealth of valuable information regarding a persons current health. In my case it showed a specific kidney inflammation.
Twenty years ago my kidney score as represented by my GFR Glomerular Filtration Rate or a widely used approximation of how well the kidney’s are functioning was very poor.
My score was maybe 60 points below what a healthy male my age was.
Today with dietary intervention, my GFR is above 110, Roughly 20 points higher than a healthy male my age. Most doctors would believe that to be not possible.
Another astounding result was pointing to the exact spot in my mouth where I had a route canal. There was no way the Doctor could have guessed that as he did not look in my mouth and had no dental records.
There were other very results which I can comment further if you ask.
Being a natural sceptic, I spend over 100 hours researched the science behind the GDV
Before I was satisfied that it had not been a fluke.
The Phase Angle test is discussed in detail by Dr. Bush.
My score was low indicating a chronic disease.
Given that my chemistry blood panels are generally in the 95-99th percentile
It contradicted nearly all my Chemistry blood panel tests. See examples below
Only my Viome micro-gut test, combined with other advanced tests showed that my body was inflamed. Trying to explain that to a regular physician was almost impossible.
Luckily I had chosen The M clinic.
Some examples are:
For HgbA1C (3 month average estimated sugar control of 4.8 greatly decreased from pre-diabetic levels) Very Few patients score less than 5.2.
Cholestrol panel: 99th percentile from high bad Cholestrol and very low good Cholestrol
To very low bad Cholestrol and doubling of good cholestrol. Most impresively my Good cholestrol level was over double my triglycerides level. According to functional medicine that is ideal. Triglycerides are widely seen by many functional doctors as an indication of inflammation.
CPR- measure of general inflammation was at the lowest score detected by the test.
These improvements were done using very scientific and advanced dietary guidelines, which then was against the common wisdom as scientific studies had not yet been released of that diet’s benefits.
As I was paying out of pocket for blood chemistry panels every 3-6 months without a doctor’s prescription, I had properly documented my trials in addition to credible independent and objective lab evidence " that my diet and other treatment was working.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing. It just goes to show how far the science of advanced medical technology has come . The average person wouldn’t believe it, and the average doctor wouldn’t touch it.
So what can you share with us about this magical diet?
And Would you say all your health issues have been resolved?
Hi, I am guessing that the science is 15-20 years ahead of what traditional Doctors apply.
One’s best bet is to seek a functional medicine Docor who is current or has a team that is current with the latest science.
That cuts down the list greatly.
Also look at how many providers he/she supervises.
One very good functional medical doctor with incredible advertising supervisors over 10 providers( MD’s, PA’s and NP’s), he was booked up for 9 months. Ask yourself, how much time he will spend with you and or on your file? Dr. Bush has only one provider under him and logically will likely spend allot more time than someone who had several people under him.
Also best to try and understand what others with similar problems have done to achieve superior results, which the current medical establishment has not yet accepted and document it and all your attempts.
Learn what they did.
Paying for Labs online might be a great idea.
Regarding diet that is such a complicated topic.
Everyone is different and what works for someonme can always change.
The science is changing almosty as we speak.
I might have general suggestions if I know what you are trying to achieve?
Would be very happy to share what I know.
Ultimately you need to record what you eat, treating food as a medication. Try keep your estimates within 20%.
Use an application like fitness app, where you can enter what you eat
And see the Protein, fat, carbohydrates and other micro-nutrients.
Every extra detail helps, however do not over whelm yourself.
Ease into it.
That creates proper awareness and probably increases your chance of success exponentially.
Typically an anti-inflammation diet is generally what you might want?
You need to discover what is inflammatory for you, knowing that it will likely change as you grow older.
Intermittent fasting is almost always a great idea to aim for long term. Read as much as you can about it and see Dr. Valter Longo of USC.
Secondly the lower the calories the better your chances of a healthier and or longer life.
Thirdly: Try to simplify your diet and food should be affordable and ideallyas easy to acess for you. Cook and prepare you own food.
Fourthly: Define your objective as clearly as you can with proper achievable goals. Keep reviewing these goals.
Fifth: Be patient and happy that you are trying.
Most people who try are not as dedicated as you are, being a bio-hacker.
(Desired results might take many years-like in my case. I could not lose weight, despite eating very healthy and kept adding knew restrictions on when I was not seeing results. Then suddenly new restrictions worked.
Sixth: Allow room for holidays where you can cheat atleast once a week.
Seventh: Get Labs to see if your diet is working. Depending on your problem, will dictate the labs. Paying for these labs and the treatment out of pocket might increase your sense of awareness and dedication.
Eight: Always be open minded and positive no matter what.
Nine: Always try to increase your knowledge about what you are doing as often as possible. Learn as many new things every day as you can.
Ten: When progress is very very slow and you are unhappy or you are going backwards, record this and try something different.
There are more suggestions however this should keep you occupied.
My problems have improved , however I am far from cured. This is a lifelong quest which may never be solved.
Hope this helped. You posts show that you are very dedicated and have done an incredible job with researching. Keep up the great work!!
If I remember right, Dr. Pawluk doesn’t carry Bemer because they don’t service their own products.
He has an explanation on his site of why he doesn’t carry it.
As far as a cool light, you can get really fabulous infrared light on Amazon for $25. Actually, closer to $7 for the smaller size. I used it to get rid of skin problems years ago and the $25 was for a therapy grade bulb, but someone said that the same bulb could be bought for much cheaper. You need a $10 brooder light which can carry the watts of the size bulb you buy. Tractor Supply Store had the best I found for that.
Here is a useful link that both you and maybe Prometheus should find interesting from another bold, brilliant, passionate, compasionate , idealistic and original mind. Dr. Stephanie Seneff of MIT.
Let me know what you both think?
PEMFenthusiast2,
I think the emphasis is that those concepts are theoretical.
It seems like lots of people are teaching that type of thing as if it is truth before anything is proven.
Yes it is theoretical.
To me what is far more important is trying to understand what she is saying as best as I can.
practical take aways might be:
Those are highly practical take aways.
I am lower in Methionine, but high in sulfur-rich vegetables right now.
Looking at sulfur-rich vegetables, what strikes me is how closely the sulfur-rich ones line up with the vegetables, which were tested against various cancer cells. This test was in vitro, but they have tested dripping the blood of people who eat these foods on cancer cells.
Very interesting.
Do you have food allergies?
(Added on edit: Many foods rich in methionine are common allergy triggers)
Yes, I have food allergies.
Just my opinion…She needs to do heavy detox and get on ices immediately. 
Sunlight and fresh air are good start . Best Sulphur is raw vegetables not cooked, imo and I didn’t hear her say that. And a super way to eat vegetables is homemade sauerkraut where you combine every vegetable you like. That way you get your veggies and your probiotics and your condiments …all in one.
So do I.
Balancing my own diet has been my biggest and consistent battle, which has yielded some positive results, however it is something that I will probably deal with my whole life.
Certain stratagies might have been more useful than others in my case.
Intermittent fasting (water fast)has really helped me allot.
It is so hard.
If I can manage 12 hours it is a victory.
Very occasionally I manage 24-30 hours.
I do that maybe 5-6 days on a good week.
My goal, is to eventually do one full week every year.
Whether that goal is achieved or not, just trying and doing my best makes me happy.