When I was young, I heard the news calling Pritikin’s diet ridiculous and saying that he was a crackpot.
Now, as an adult, I laugh every time Dr. Greger tells his grandmother’s story.
a little known fact from my own personal experience and knowledge…
Pritikin was not the one who lead the majority of people to veganism beginning in the 60s. Priitkin was a significant but overshadowed player in that movement. It was actually michio kushi and macrobiotics that catalyzed the vegan plant based ideology and the health food movement among the young people of the era including me. Macrobiotics was not just about food but an entire cosomology of yin/yang imported and modernized from the ancient eastern philosophy and
medical systems
PEMFenthusiast2,
I have learned to reconcile their arguments and don’t see that they are necessarily contradicting each other.
They are using different mechanisms.
If you took cancer as a topic, Dr. Seyfried uses water fasting, calorie restriction, intermittent fasting, a very restricted form of the Keto diet, Hyperbaric Oxygen and he uses something to inhibit glutamate and he has gotten some fabulous results.
Now, take some of the Whole Food Plant Based doctors, they obviously aren’t inhibiting glucose and would point out that the cancer can make glucose from your muscles, from animal products and can feed also off glutamate.
Dr. Seyfried argues, not against Whole Food Plant Based. He argues based on studies where fat was better at not feeding cancer than something called “carbs” well, Whole Food Plant Based doctors don’t tell people to eat any old carbs. They are telling people NOT to eat refined carbs and sugars and artificial sweeteners and things like that.
It gets confusing to a Keto focused person to understand how Whole Food Plant Based also has had excellent results with cancer, but they are doing “anti-angiogenesis foods” (Dr. Li) and Methionine restriction (because cancer also needs Methionine) and they are using IGF-1 restriction (because cancer also needs IGF-1 to grow) They are using plant phytonutrients, which cause the blood to become more effective at killing cancer and which help the immune system that way. They are using the fact that it is Heme-Oxygenase-1 which is there in response to the Heme which is tricking the immune system into protecting the cancer instead of fighting the cancer and the fact that the digestive enzymes trypsin and chymotrypsin are needed to digest animal products and those enzymes also could be very usefully digesting the fibrin wall on the cancer’s outer shell so that the immune system could see the cancer that way. They are pointing to things like AGE’s from cooking meat and things like viruses in meat and how if you eat a lot of meat you end up with gut bacteria which uses the choline in eggs and the carnitine in meat and it produces TMAO and those little gut bacteria make tumors.
I could go on and on further from the Whole Food Plant Based community side because of all of Dr. Greger’s little bite-sized videos, but I know that if you don’t have a wider understanding of both diets, you sit in the middle with one person telling you to take carnitine supplements and one telling you that the gut bacteria are going to use it to make TMAO and it gets so confusing, but I bring you back out to word, “Mechanism” and the two diets are using different mechanisms and if you have epilepsy, you might want to be learning the Keto mechanisms and maybe learn from Whole Food Plant Based and add enzymes to digest your meat so that you don’t end up having a body, which doesn’t digest the fibrin on the cancer tumors.
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I think different mechanism is correct. Keto is the carnivore diet, and Vegan is the herbivore diet, and we see both types in nature. Carnivores are hunters who eat less often due to realities of hunting, and naturally fast between kills. Herbivores are grazers so they eat more often in smaller amounts and don’t need to fast necessarily.
Humans can choose , but anatomically I think humans match the digestive apparatus of other herbivores, and easily get into trouble eating animal products which for one thing decay quickly and require short intestines to discharge quickly.
Prometheus,
I appreciate your comments.
I feel like nutrition is one of those topics where the medical and internet culture has added such confusion by being so competitive and money and “spin” oriented.
I have only followed nutrition or science for about a year and a half and it is so confusing and so argumentative that I felt like I had to get outside of the debates and outside of the manipulative studies and start to interact with the communities of people following it from both sides and just listen and learn while I also try to learn science and learn statistics and apply it myself.
Every few weeks, I watch this man’s music videos again: This is my favorite because it is the one which blows me away. Getting there.
Laughing, when I first started reading PubMed articles, I read “blah, blah, blah, blah” and then I could understand the results and conclusion pretty well. The more science I learn the less painful the process is, but the doctors plural made it so much worse by not teaching it from both sides. Diet wars have made this process so much worse and I really mean it. People are dying from how doctors do this without nutrition, but also from how the culture does it. People are so confused. I want to yell at them all and say, “Yes, I have brain problems, but you all really are trying to confuse people to make yourselves look better than you are.”
Here is a very old Nathan Pritikin interview with Dr. McDougall for you.
I love that he was an engineer. I honestly never heard him when I was younger. I just heard criticisms. It would have changed my life if I had heard him when I was young.
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When will the BG pro 2.0 be released, and what is the difference to the 1.0?
Regards Thomas
This thread is so good and well informative for me.